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Adnane Ben.
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Morocco Pays Full Repatriation Fees of a Deceased?
11:35:53 PM Sunday Sep 26, 2010

I had no clue that Morocco now pays in full the repatriation of a deceased Moroccan. A while ago I've been to funeral prayers after which a couple of people would stand up for a quick mini fundraiser to repatriate the dead. Live fundraisers are never easy, let alone immediately after a funeral prayer. With a deceased in a coffin, his or her family around, and a whole bunch of people who may have no connection to the departed, the fundraiser can either be quick and effective or it could turn into an emotional disaster unable to raise enough funds for whatever reason. It's nice to hear that Morocco is taking care of that now. Hopefully there are organizations that can work with Morocco hand-in-hand to make the process smooth and dignifying.

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7:12 pm    September 30, 2010

Adnane Ben. message
She is a caring smart one.

9:44 am    September 30, 2010

Mohamed Brahimi message
salam ,
Great and timely input. In all of my years being involved with this, only one time just recetly, a Moroccan girl called to inquire about waqshing the body and the Janaza prayer fro her mother who had just passed while in the USa seeking medical help. I was curious as to why was the very first who did not ask if there was any monetary assistance. So, being the nosy person that I am, I asked her if she has everything under control. She calmly answered with a resounding YES. she went on to explain that she has bought her Mom an insurance from some some Moroccan provider prior to even inviting her mother to America.
So, to make a long story short, there are ways to circumvent this humiliation. The problem is that we hate to think about death. We like to think that it will never happen to us; and if it does, then it won't happen anytime in the foreseeable future

5:57 am    September 29, 2010

fender (full stop) message
Salam Alaikom,

Thanks for this very interesting topic.

I agree with all of your inputs and acknowledge The most common Moroccan disorder "the multi-Fhamaat syndrome” which block any Moroccan group (>3 people) from ever agreeing on a decision.

In my opinion, the question whether to be repatriated or buried abroad is to be answered by the person concerned himself. Most of non-Muslim people that I know has decided on their ultimate question! (To be burred or to be incinerated). So why can't we as Muslims organize our own funerals (as individuals)? Death should not be a taboo!

I mean, If I have to count the number of insurances that I have, Travelling/Car/fire/Health Care/Flight Cancellation/...and many others. Why not assume the choice we make regarding our post-mortem relocation!?!

I wonder if you have in the US Moroccan banks Affiliates. I know that in Europe for instance Banks as (BMCE, BP, WAFA etc...) provide a repatriation insurance that costs around 50$/Year.

Losing someone dear is sad enough; relatives should not worry about money when going through such difficult times.


5:46 am    September 29, 2010

Mohamed Brahimi message
Your Facebook friend is absolutely right. I concur with him/her 100%
Different Muslim schools of thought have converged on the idea of a giving the departed a dignified burial. Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) recommended that a swift burial for the dead. Nowadays, it takes at least 48 hours to get the death certificate and all related paperwork ready. Never mind the Embalming process, that's another issue that should be discussed at length and a clear ruling should be issue as to its permissibility
As for the reasons the bereavement fund was getting bogged down, I iwll be more than happy to discuss that with you off line. Doing it on line will ineluctably sound like airing dirty laundry.

12:24 am    September 29, 2010

Adnane Ben. message
Ok, based on your factual experiences, apparently there are discrepancies somewhere regarding the helping hand Morocco claims to be giving. Regarding the fund, I am interested in the details that blocked it. When you said "We always get bogged down over some stupid little details", let me know what these details are if you can, I'm really curious. Beside establishing the fund under a non-profit org which Moroccans have at least a couple that I know of in Boston, what else remains? perhaps the policy or rules of how to use the money? who makes the decisions etc? where does the money go if the org is dissolved? I can see how things could get "political" but the charitable aspect of it should be in focus.

On the other hand, a friend of mine made the following comment which I find fascinating! It carries ideas that immediately sparked discussions in my mind about the meaning of a grave to a living person, traditions, culture and Fiqh. He wrote on facebook:

"I still dont understand the thing with people to repatriate dead bodies to Morocco.For example: we have a muslim cementery here in roxbury and its much cheaper than sending it to Morocco. Also they have muslim funerary services.A dead person is dead person and will be under the dirt no matter where is buried,the dirt is the same here and in Morocco.The soul only takes with it the good or the bad actions and his relatives can pray for his mercy here or anywhere in the world bcs GOD is everywhere. As example Prophet Muhamad was born in Mecca but was buried in Medina; he wasnt repatriated to Mecca.The same story with many sahaba who were born in Arabia but died in Siria, Egypt, Irak, Persia etc."


5:58 am    September 28, 2010

Mohamed Brahimi message
A refund? LOL
The word "refund" does not exist in the Moroccan government lexicon. At this point, we are made to jump through fire hoops just to get the authorization to ship the corps. So much red tape that makes resent the fact that cremation is Haram. A Moroccan female called last month in tears asking for help with this authorization business. It took about 9 days for her to get the authorization to ship her mother's body back to Morocco. I can actually write a book about these stories for the shear volume.
As for establishing a bereavement fund, believe me when I tell you that we had started talking about this 12 years ago but to avail. We always get bogged down over some stupid little details. Getting 200 Moroccans to agree on something is next to IMPOSSIBLE especially when each and everyone of them gets to have an opinion. We have had experts talking to us about establishing the account and setting up maturity levels and so on and so fourth. But, we always managed to stall the process.
Moroccan are very generous especially when it comes to helping with a death situations, but we tend to let our egos take center stage once the death becomes old news.
Do you happen to Jajlaa Benmbarek's number? I have a couple of great ideas that I would like to pitch fro her.

9:48 pm    September 27, 2010

Adnane Ben. message
Mohammed salam, good to hear from you it's been a while. I believe you because I know you're involved in these logistics. But have you tried to include in the logistical process the step of requesting from the Moroccan government a refund of the cost "raised" from the people here? I would expect them to respond and write a check. The check can be saved in a special fund and used for the next funeral that needs repatriation. Also, another idea I would promote is to establish an emergency fund especially for repatriation for starters. $5 a month, with 200 people strong, that's $1000 a month, $12,000 a year, and every year. This way, money is readily available to repatriate instead of pulling hair in a fundraiser as soon as the Imam finishes his salam. This is immediately followed by a request to Morocco for a refund. Allah Yssahhal 3la aljami3.


5:26 am    September 27, 2010

Mohamed Brahimi message
Si Adnane,
Thank you so much for this post; we should really be having this discourse. I watched this video a while back and I could not believe what I was seeing. Then again, I saw the same person shaking hands with the CEO of la RAM and signing some bogus fancy documents in the presence of dozens of TV cameras and Microphones all engaged in a pathetic theatrical about sharp air fare discounts to ex pats
Here is the fact brother adnane:
The only The Moroccan government is paying now, as it has always done, is LIP SERVICE. As long as there are no government watchdog organization that can fact check and force a governmental institutions to put their money where their mouth is, nothing will ever change. I have been in the states for over two decades and I can tell you for cutting certainty that there isn't one Moroccan who has benefited from this Public relation maneuver that amounted to nothing more than cheap talk. I challenge anyone to make me eat my words by proving that Morocco has actually stepped in once and took care of a diseased person final business.
I am talking from a stand point of someone who has been at the forefront of the logistical end of most of these deaths.
P.S. Sorry for writing this post on the fly, this is more of a rant than anything

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