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Adnane Ben.
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Meetings with Moroccan Consultative Council on Human Rights
06:27:51 PM Monday Apr 23, 2007


The Moroccan Consultative Council for Human Rights (CCHR) is visiting the United States of America to consult the moroccan citizens living in here about their visions and aspirations of the "High Council for Moroccans Abroad".

M. Abdelhay El Moudden, member of the CCHR, will be meeting with the moroccan community in the following areas:
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BOSTON
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The Moroccan American Civic and Cultural Association (MACCA) is organizing the meeting.

Date: Saturday 28 April, 2007
Time: 6:30 PM
Place: JFK School, 158 Spring St. Cambridge MA

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GREATER WASHINGTON AREA
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Date: Tuesday 24 April, 2007
Time: 6:00 PM
Place: salon E 2nd floor at The Marriott Washington (1221, 22nd street NW washington DC 20037)

parking is available at the hotel guest park on the right of the 22 ND St. main entrance.

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ORLANDO
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The Moroccan American Chamber Of Commerce in Orlando is organizing the meeting.

Date: To Be Announced soon
Time: 6:00 PM
Location: Samba Room in Sand Lake Rd, in Orlando.

We are looking forward to seeing there


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1:39 am    May 19, 2007

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Hey Moriab, thanks bro. Come see us more often than an 18 month lapse! As for the postal experiences anywhere in the world, it\'s full of anecdotes! The French system is particularly annoying as well. If someone makes a small mistake in the address, your package eventually makes it to a hangar where it\'ll get supposedly destroyed. You can\'t claim it.
I\'m pretty positive Morocco\'s poste will improve especially with the computerization of tracking inventory. Hey, but then again who knows, maybe with that they\'ll have even more problems :/ I just wonder if they still sell those pale brownish letter envelopes still in Tabac sacca?! and the other kind of enveloppes, white with blue/red stripes on the edges. Been a long time I didn\'t write an envelopped letter, let alone one made in Morocco!
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10:59 am    May 13, 2007
Moriab
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Thank you Adnane for keeping this site alive.It's been more than 18 months since my last visit.
Just want to humbly voice my opinion on The Moroccan politics involvement discussion . I read some belittling that kinda involvement.
Until they got frustrated with some inevitable interaction with the Moroccan cusoms'frozen bureaucracy,they would realize that Moroccan politics really matters to them.I wonder if any of you experience that bad feeling of dictatorship when a parcel you send as a gift gets returned with a red pen crossing your correct computer typed address. I spent 20 minutes with my local Canadian post office clerk trying to figure out the reason for sending it back.There was no reason mentioned;just that cheap moroccan "beak"brand of a pen unpolitely crossing out my correct address.
Apparently,that Baby walkie talkie toy scared them and they thought it some sofisticated intelligence device.
This is not a first.2 months before i sent some gifts to my brother's baby.It takes 20 days to arrive to morocco and i could track it online every step of the way via the canada post website.Once the four parcels arrived in Morocco,they were handled with the best laziness and bureaucracy in the world(2 months and 23 days) . Writing to them thru their dead website only echoed silence.There is nobody there.
After calls and calls and letters and faxes;they finally released the damn thing,only to fine the recipient with $100.
I paid a fortune to the local post office here and the parcels were clearly marked as gifts,but i guess they took them for business imports on the recipient side .
When a Canadian post office clerk called my brother in morocco to investigate it,he recieved the following stupidly recorded Ittisalat almaghrib voice response:
" Inna I?timada bitakatikoum jawwal....blah blah blha...Almarjou ta?bi-at bitakatikoum jawwal"
So much for organizing the world cup !
My greeting to all Moroccan immigrants in the world.
Moriab
Moriab
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9:30 am    May 11, 2007

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of course they are more immediately and directly impacted, but don't forget that many north african immigrants come here with plans to buy/build homes and businesses back home and move back at some point, and many already have done this, so the laws and politics are important to them. This is a pattern I am seeing at least.
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7:58 pm    May 10, 2007
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"My understanding is that the immigrants on American grounds have made the choice to live here, hence the politics of this country affects them more..."
very well said brother Adnane!!
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7:57 pm    May 10, 2007
tendrara
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"My understanding is that the immigrants on American grounds have made the choice to live here, hence the politics of this country affects them mor"
very well said brother Adnane!!
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1:01 pm    May 10, 2007

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But how many..! and if they do, then they can start contributing to the politics where they live IF they wish. I don't see it any other way. My understanding is that the immigrants on American grounds have made the choice to live here, hence the politics of this country affects them more than the politics of Morocco would affect their "future selves" if they might ever return to Morocco in the future.

And what level of involvment in Moroccan politics are we talking about anyways? local level where your familly live? regional level? national level? cafe level? chat around couscous level?

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12:26 pm    May 10, 2007

hudhud message
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"The politics of Morocco are none of the business of these immigrants. "
I disagree - consider how many of these wish to return home and settle there? It is of course a concern and important.
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11:00 am    May 10, 2007

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Mohamed,

Honestly, one of the best points that was brought up in the meeting was from a gentleman called something like "Lam3allam". He said that the Moroccan government can facilitate organizing camps for immigrants' children with local children, related activities, field trips during the summer season. I think if this is accomplished it would make a difference. Your children will have an unforgettable experience in Morocco.

Another thing the Moroccan government can think about is to send newly graduated teachers without jobs to foreign countries under contracts to teach immigrant's children the Arabic language. For this to work in Boston for example, there needs to be an infrastructure set in place or an umbrella institution that will welcome these teachers and provide the locale and other terms. Besides, there is a shortage of Arabic language teachers in Boston anyways, so even adults can benefit from these teachers. Basically, it's like telling the Moroccan government we relieve you from having to pay these teachers or keeping them unemployed and frustrated for months, we would pay them to teach our kids.

All others points sounded off topic as far as I could tell:

- Reduce RAM ticket price (this is a business argument)
- Direct RAM flight (this is a business argument)
- Voting for Moroccan candidates (not the purpose of Dr. Moudden's visit)
- Accomodate children who speak only English in Moroccan public schools when their famillies decide to return back home for good (this is not necessary, children can learn and adjust quickly)

I am with the final opinion of Dr. Moudden that a lot of the issues brought up about lack of identity can be managed and resolved among the immigrants and proper channels in Morocco. No need to involve anybody.

Also, in my opinion, there is no need for such a council of Moroccan immigrants in America. Moroccan immigration has not matured yet, and Moroccans are just starting to understand the American system. MACCA and Huda are already starting to do the job needed in the Boston area for example. Each region has its own associations that protect the interests of its local community. At least for now. Moroccan immigrants in the US need to focus on the American fabric of life and issues concerning rights, politics, healthcare, local representation, schooling, and other civic priorities. The politics of Morocco are none of the business of these immigrants.

It would be nice to have a followup with Dr. Moudden and discuss the outlook of his proposal and what the King decided.

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4:49 pm    May 3, 2007
tendrara
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The actual site is the followingwww.ccdh.org.maOn a related note, I was so busy those days that I forgot to even ask him for his e-mail address, however, There were many brothers there who did get Dr. Moudden\'s e-mail and I will make it available as soon as I get it, it will probably be tomorrow inshallah.Thank you
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8:17 am    April 26, 2007
Siham
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Thanks Adnane for the posting!
I encourage every Moroccan residing around Boston to attend and voice their opinion. This meeting is open to the public and presents an opportunity to connect with fellow Moroccans and learn about the Moroccan American Civic and Cultural Association (M.A.C.C.A.)
Thanks,
Siham
M.A.C.C.A.
Private People Doing Public Good

www.maccaonline.org
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