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The Hammam Public Bath: Do you still go there?
12:00:00 AM Sunday Jul 13, 2003



Public baths, these steamy places are still part of the urban landscape of societies cultured by the Ottomans and the Spanish Moors, especially in North Africa and Turkey. Women go to the Hammams to clean their bodies, get massages, socialize and hear the latest gossip. Of course the same goes for men in their own Hammam, but this topic is for women.

Hammams usually have at least 2 nested rooms, the deeper the room is the smaller it gets, the steamier it gets, the hotter it gets, and the thougher you have to be to stay there for longer than 2 minutes. Preferrably one should settle in the outter room. Settling usually means, for most hammams, finding an empty spot by the tiled wall and ground and putting your bathing material there to declare your territory. Next step is to quickly find a minimum of 2 empty dlou or Biada (plural for Bidou). You will mix hot and cold water in them. In every traditional Hammam, there are two sources of water, one for cold, other for sizzling HOT. These sources fill two big bassins called (Barmat, plurat for Barma). Each Barma has a dedicated small bucket (mini Bidou) made usually from Black thick tire rubber, aluminum or wood, used to scoop the water from the bassin and then fill your Biada. You'll have to do it yourself, and it may take you 2 or 3 rountrips from the Barma to your spot before you fill up. Barmat usually have lines of bathers waiting to fill their Biada; good opportunity to socialize, but you may get eyes rolling at you if you're moving too slow. Someone may even volunteer and help you out to keep it moving.

Once you have your warm water ready in your Biada you go ahead and relax in your spot or lay down on the warm tiled ground. You may hire a person (Tayyaba) to exfoliate, massage and rub all of your body. Tayyabat (plural for Tayyaba) also acts as the coordinator of Barmat traffic.

So, do you girls still go to the Hammam? what do you like about it? what do you hate about it? Any memories?

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9:25 pm    May 20, 2009

PaPiCha message
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I am 6 years late to add to this topic, but I cannot resist to share my love to the public bath. I love to go there every week and stay for about 3 hours. We Moroccans are interesting. I do not think there are many people who would spend more than 30 minutes taking a bath. When I go there, I sing Cheba Zahouania's "Alhamam al ghali jaw lik labnat." It is a slow song that go along with scrubbing my skin. I just love it!
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5:29 am    April 12, 2008

junesun message
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Krimo,

oh my god, i was cracking up reading your comment.
how hilarious, wellahila, sounds like a true moroccan mom, 3emratek bel ghassoul yak.
so was that the disguise to get into the women's hammam?, i guess you had to wear some shorts too...
lol
I loooove el hammam my first stop when i get to meghrib for a visit straight from the airport is the hammam, i can go everyday, i love the smell, the women, the carrying of the stoula and burning my ass with hot water all the time. BEST!

thanks for that

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5:28 am    April 12, 2008

junesun message
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oh and i forgot..Oranges! letchin fell hammam tastes so good after you're done, my mom always brought oranges with her.
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5:25 am    April 12, 2008

junesun message
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Krimo,

oh my god, i was cracking up reading your comment.
how hilarious, wellahila, sounds like a true moroccan mom, 3emratek bel ghassoul yak.
so was that the disguise to get into the women's hammam?, i guess you had to wear some shorts too...
lol
I loooove el hammam my first stop when i get to meghrib for a visit straight from the airport is the hammam, i can go everyday, i love the smell, the women, the carrying of the stoula and burning my ass with hot water all the time. BEST!

thanks for that

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5:25 am    April 12, 2008

junesun message
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Krimo,

oh my god, i was cracking up reading your comment.
how hilarious, wellahila, sounds like a true moroccan mom, 3emratek bel ghassoul yak.
so was that the disguise to get into the women's hammam?, i guess you had to wear some shorts too...
lol
I loooove el hammam my first stop when i get to meghrib for a visit straight from the airport is the hammam, i can go everyday, i love the smell, the women, the carrying of the stoula and burning my ass with hot water all the time. BEST!

thanks for that

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Hulita
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3:15 pm    August 10, 2007
youness
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ok ok
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1:56 pm    March 8, 2007

Kathleen Woolrich message
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I had never been to a hamam until I went to Algeria and this December I went to one in Oran and I was too embarassed to take all my clothes off..hahahhaha so I kept a towel wrapped around my bottom
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10:27 pm    March 7, 2007
zorro
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What was the horrible things u saw at the womens hammam? Pls reply to me at zorro355@yahoo.co.in.Thanks.
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5:44 pm    September 19, 2006
kifkif
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Tu veux faire connaissance inside or outside the bath ?
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8:42 am    April 16, 2006
belaid
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je veux faire une connaissance est voila mon numero de mobile071974864
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12:16 pm    October 4, 2004
funny
krimo
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i love and i still love going to the hammam, i had some funny stories, i grew up living with my mother and she used to take me with here to the hammam, with gassoul on my head , then she would call me diffrent name , rachida, nabila, siham..............nut i would not answer her because non of those were my real name , actually i was a guy , i have seen some horible things that are still as a nightmare for me, when i turned 9 i started going to the men's hamam i really felt so much better, but i missed those little cute asses...............
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8:44 am    October 15, 2003
choway9eer
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wa 3la terma hahahahahaha
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6:33 pm    October 10, 2003
cha9oor
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fin iyamat l7amam mi kona tan mchi m3a wlad derb zlalag fi lard
chfir la9boba lasse9 savon fi l7ett
wra t7am7ima lam7laba o zlafat raib yassalammmmmmmm!!!
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5:10 pm    July 18, 2003
khayibaba
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c'est vrait qu'on ai pas prs tu as resson assi. pour le calcule alors ca c'est long a lami.
PS:
ma mali walou m3a lalla fatima:)
lalla fatima wache dirte chi 7aja like?
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3:19 pm    July 18, 2003
Flifla
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75 ans en commen?ant maintenant? vu ce que vous racontez, on n'est pas encore pret a commencer!

By the way, Kidrtou 7ta 7ssabtou 75 3am?

PS: Malk 3la Fatima?

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7:50 am    July 18, 2003
khayibaba
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oasienne:
je suis d'accord avec toi. mais tu sais quand bien du temps ca va prendre de changer le system et je parle pas du gouvernement jeparle de peuple? moi et mon onlce on a fait le calcule ca donne dans les envirent de 75 ans. et dis moi tu as un schema pour le nouveau system? et est ceque le peuple va accepter le nouveau system? normalement dans une societe quand ils changent le system il a temps 3 mois pour voir si ca marche ou pas sinon ils le changent encore. je veus pas que tu comprend a traveree mes mots que je suis contre le changement de system, mais je suis realistic je veus faire mes devoires avant de changer le system par un notre pire que le premier. il faut faire des etudes et des recherches pour savoir qu'est ce que la majorite des peuple veulent?
NB:
je vois aucun problem avec le job de kassale je vois pas pourkoi vous etes contre ce boulot
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12:40 am    July 18, 2003
oasienne
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le syst?me a bon dos!
parfois il faut changer de syst?me pour faire avancer les choses quand m?me.Ce n'est pas parqce qu'on a l'habitude de voir certaines choses, quel que soit le pays,qu'elles sont justes.
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5:33 pm    July 17, 2003
khayibaba
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MOUMOU 3iniya alalla fatima:)
tu sais pour koi ils ont pas des droit comme tu as dis? c'est parceque ils ont pas un cindica bizzare n'est pas? mais il faut savoir ou le problem resoudre? la source de leur etat et leur boulot? comme ici dans les USA la plus par des gents qui travail comme netoiyeurs dans les grands MALLs sont des latinos meme s'il y a bcp d'eus qu'ils ont de green card. qlq 1 doit faire ce boulot c'est comme ca que le societe marche c'est pas une loi que qlq 1 a suggere mais c'est une loi qui c'est emposer par le system il y a des 100'ens d'annes. si il y avait pas de 7amma alros le metier de kassale n'aurait jamais exister n'est pas?
PS:
fine f lamafire? machi 9isarita omar?
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12:13 am    July 17, 2003
oasienne
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la r?ponse est dans le syst?me marocain:)D?s que tu poses cette question l?, c'est parti on peut aborder la politique educative et ?conomique de notre cher pays...
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10:16 pm    July 16, 2003
Fatima
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Akh Khayibaba,

Desolee, si je vous ai choque par l lexemple des esclaves des USA. Ce n etait qu une image pour mieux expliquer mon point de vie et non une comparaison.

Biensur ce que j ai dit sur Lkassala s applique aussi sur d autres metiers comme l7mala et sbanates, les bonnes....(lay y7ssan l3wan)

Mais je suis desolee, vous ne pouvez pas comparer leur situation a celle d un institeur ou medecin....ces gens la n ont pas le minmum autant que travailleur car il n y aucune loi qui les protegent, ils sont laisses a la bonne volonte des boss. Ils travaillent jusqu au jour ou leur etat de sante ne leur permette plus et la...

Je suis d accord avec vous que le probleme depasse celui des kssalas


PS: L9issariya que j ai mentione ne se trouve dans aucun des 2 quartiers que vous avez indique. Maarif vous dit qlq chose.

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9:20 pm    July 16, 2003
khayibaba
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ALALLA FATIMA:
c'est impossible de trouver tous le monde content la vie est comme ca je connais pas mal de gents comme la vielle femme de l9isaria oui c'est triste bcp triste . mais de comparer les exclaves de USA avec l kassala ca c'est trops premierement les exclaves n'ont pas le droit de quite leur boulot sauf par la mort alors ke lkassale il peut quitter quand il veut s'il trouve un boulot mieus que takassalite. 2eme les exclaves ont des maitres alors que lkassale a son bosse c'est pas paraille c'est un boulot comme les autres khadma charifa ghire 7naya lli kate bane lina fchkale c'est normal kbarna fi un niveau different 3la niveau dial l kassala mais c'est pas de notre faute on essaye toujours ameliorer le niveau de vie de chaque maroccain soi un kassale soin un instituteur soi zabale walla 7ammale (khalli hade jmale raged l7amma msakene) anyway it's a veryu long discution and i really understand your point of view and i agree not all kassala are happy with thier jobs find me all engineers that are happy with thier jobs or doctors or even country leaders.
PS:
ina 9isaria kay hadri 3liha? mdina la9dima? 7aye mou7amadi? fine f casa?
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8:55 pm    July 16, 2003
Fatima
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Akh Khayibaba,

Je suis contente que vous connaissez des Kssalas heureux ou chanceux qui tombent sur des bon clients...mais croyez-moi ce n est pas le cas de tous.

Dans l histoire de USA, il y a bien des histoires sur des esclaves noirs qui se faisaient bien traiter par leur maitre et qui adoraient leur maitres pour leur "bonte" mais n empeche que l esclavage est a ete aboli.....


Je connais une veille femme qui est maintenant mendiante fi l9issariya a cote de chez nous a casa. Un jour ma mere m a dit que cette femme etait Kssala fi l7mam li7da l9ssariya quand elle etait jeune mais comme elle a veilli et n a pas d enfants pour la prendre en charge, elle s est retrouvee a demander la charite.

Pourtant cette femme qui a toujours travaille durement et dignement et elle est reduite a cela maintenant.
Je trouve cela triste.

Voila ce que je pense.

Desolee Adnane si j ai deborde sur ton sujet et je ne desire pas gacher vos histoires agreables concernat l7mam.
Je souhaite a tous ceux qui rentrent au maroc cet ete et qui vont l7amam. BSA7A OU RAHA


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8:49 pm    July 16, 2003
GOGO
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Salam,
unfortunatlly,we forgot to talk about 7amammat`costs...they told me that the price is almost 8 dhs. to as a dollar maker it`s cheap.
But concider that most of the population have a modest salary.
So imagine a family with 4 kids!!!!! that`s too much......
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8:24 pm    July 16, 2003
Fatima
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Biensur que ces gens ont fait le choix de gagner leur vie de maniere honnete a la sueur de leur front au lieu de ......
Leur honnete n est nullement mise en question.
Par contre j ai qlq question concernant les proprietaire des hammams
Pourquoi ils ne versent pas un salaire descent fixe independant en plus des tips des clients?(La plupart ne sont payes que sur le nombre de dos qu il font par jour)
Pourquoi ils ne les declarent pas comme travailleurs aux differents organismes qui reglementent le code de travail (assurance, retraite....)?
Sans lKssala pensez-vous que lhmahm auraient autant de succes et rameneraient autant de fric a leur s proprietaires?
La reponse est ....
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4:57 pm    July 16, 2003
khayibaba
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FATIMA:
ok i understand what you feel. but here what one of them has told me: some of "lkassala" like what they do it's less work for them than a worker on the field. they have flexibale hours, like some 7ammamte they have women from 8am to 8pm and guys the other time. some of "kassala" they don't have any level of education of some and that is the only the job that they can get and i agree with negotiator it's better this way than some illigal stuff. PLUS the interacte with direffent people from different social levels some of the clients come weekly and they tip good other monthly or even some have thier privite 7ammame at home they "rent" one of 2 kassala to come for like 2o or 3 hours and they get really good money out of this. some kassala ask you for a favor if he knows you well enought to ask you that . see it's all about connections
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2:32 pm    July 16, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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I understand how you feel fatima,
BUT how would they survive if they don`t do that ?? at least they have a job, if they don`t do that either they are gonna become thiefs(men) or prostitutes(women) ....
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1:43 pm    July 16, 2003
Fatima
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Salam,
Autant j'ai ador? le sujet "Hammam", autant j'?tais choqu?e de constater que tout le monde semble apr?cier le fait d'avoir des humains qui travaillent dans des conditions incroyables de temp?rature et autres...qui passent leur journ?es ? enlever la salet? sur le dos ( et autre partie...) d'autres personnes plus ais?es pour maleureux dirhams..en plus ils n'ont ni assurance ni retraite cad d?s qu'ils sont vieux, ils sont dehors....Moi personnellement je pense que ce m?tier est un des v?stiges de l'esclavage qu'a connu notre cher pays..tout comme les petites bonnes qu'on fait travaiiler 24h/24 pour un salaire de misere.
Thallaw
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11:19 am    July 16, 2003
baby^love
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Nariiiii chahhitouni fi chi ta7mima ou chi takssila fi skhounnnnn... allahhhhhhhhhhhhh... ou wa7ed lkass dial lben with syrup dial lmint......i'm gonna feel so good!!!!!!
Peace and Love
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9:33 am    July 16, 2003
khayibaba
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salam:
http://www.nissae.com/
thalaw
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10:21 pm    July 15, 2003
diesel
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i like el Hammam and i miss it so much. il n y a pas mieux pour se relaxer et se sentir bien apr?s.

chi 7e9a mene3ede chi kessale

take care , everybody

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8:32 pm    July 15, 2003

Aziz Bezza message
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sanita we always hear stories like that in public places where rumors hit the top.nothing is scary about hammams as long as there is no bush or rumsfield there. they might smell WMD's and it's not agreable to be close to them in a hot steamy room.
by the way can you guys imagine dick cheney in a small room of lhammam!!! his stomach popping out,foggy glasses asking for "7mmad lkiass" to call a doctor because his artificial heart isn't working!!
what will 7mmad do?
1-call the police.
2-call hospital al farabi.
3-turn around and ask "lfarna9" to add more wood to fire.
FYI :"lfarna9" is the guy who controls the temperture of lhamam.at least in oujda we call him so.
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8:06 pm    July 15, 2003
sanita
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I remember now why it was too dark..it's because I used to take my glasses off before I get in makoun kana9cha3 walou ...thank god for contact lenses :)
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7:36 pm    July 15, 2003
sanita
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Guys do u remember those stories about jnoun fel hamam...and their weird looks (rajlin dial la7mar ...)I heard all kind of stories....I never liked el Haman when I was a kid..it was a dark and a scary place ...going to el haman was like a punishment ...
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7:11 pm    July 15, 2003

Aziz Bezza message
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Casawi you are so lucky. don't forget to get "lkssal or lkiass" to stretch you bones, tell him that you came from the US so he can provide "dollars "service.
you also have to ask Adnane to make some raioo kiyassa with lkhmissa on it that can keep "l3ain" out and spank whoever wants to steal it.
when you get out from lhamam say "raioohma hadi" instead of "rahma hadi" :) :)
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6:50 pm    July 15, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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This is a cool web site for women of the Maghreb, but it'd be much cooler without those annoying popups! Khaoula

and that Hammam they have there looks very good!!!! nice little clean swimming pool... I remember in Oujda there is a Hammam called Belqashour, it was the same as this one, had a little shallow pool in the middle where water pours from a warm source. You go down there a few steps, either to scoop water into your bucket, or lay down there in the warm shallow waters discuss politics or the girl next door. Around the pool, there were many people sitting in their spots enjoying. I think that was one of the best Hammams I've seen in Morocco.

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4:30 pm    July 15, 2003
MashtadiaLGarN
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http://www.bootsnall.com/cgi-bin/gt/travelstories/africa/jun00hammam.shtml

http://www.davestravelcorner.com/articles/morocco/6.htm

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2:44 pm    July 15, 2003
casawi79
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alah l7amam lmaghribi inchaalah this friday ghadi natfakarkoum kamlin malli nkoun fil 7amam , won't waist anytime mil airport lil 7amam hahahaha
Peace
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2:38 pm    July 15, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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Hisham, that's one TV commercial idea Coca Cola or rather Mecca Cola have yet to explore..
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2:32 pm    July 15, 2003
Hisham
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best thing about al Hamam is cracking open that La Cigogne or coca cola bottle and chill in the waiting area as you dry up!!!
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1:23 pm    July 15, 2003
marocprincess
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i look forward to the hammam whenever i go to morocco! I feel like i am in a sauna..and i have always loved the fact that our society is not as homophobic as say here in the US. Besides my grandparents own one in casa..come on now i have to represent!
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12:16 pm    July 15, 2003
SANFOR_7
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AL IKHWAN HADI BASSA7 WALAH.WA7AD AL WALDO KAN FI 3OMRO 20 3AM DA M3AH JADO CHIBANI LIL 7AMAM.DABA CHIBANI JATI SAKHFA FI SKHON GAL LIL WALD BANTO NAWADNI {{B7AL ILA WALA MOTOR}}
CHIBANI M3A T9IL OMA3GAZ DARI BGHA INWADI FACH W9AF OHOWA IZLAG NASS CHAFOH JAB LIHOM ALAH B7AL ILA BARHOCH DARBO BI NOSS. HHHHHHH BARKO I3LIH BI SABAN ORAJMOH BI ZTOLA OSABON AL KAFF {{B7AL AL HAJRA
DARI 9AHROH BI AL 3SSA HRAB LIL ZAN9A 3ARYAN .BGHA IRJA3 M3A DOKHA DKHAL FI AL HAMAM DIAL AL 3YALAY CHADOH DARO LIH AL GHADIDA HHHHHHH KHRAJ SMITO SAID NASSIRI .
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12:07 pm    July 15, 2003
SANFOR_7
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sabon al baldi made of morocco
look my dad used to be A KASSAL
one day zghabni alah and i asked for free takssila.and he told go to the HOT ROOM and wait for 15 min
that day wa9ila kano mssakhnin al hamam bi al MAZOT,skhanti mazian ghir chwiya kanat ghada tach3al fiya al 3afia.chwiya dkhal 3liya al haj milod NAKED machi 3aryan noooo he's last name naked.khla3ni mnin chafti.chi l7am kharaj omdali lih min al garson.ohowa igoul liya dor 3la karchak,ana dkhalni chak awah hada malo !!!!!! ohowa iraya7 liya 3la tizi.ochad liya min dra3i o3awjo.otigoul bissssssbisssssss
oana tanghawat 3at9o ro7i .wa7ad rajal kbir ochibani fi al 7amam 3tass ohawa issrot lssano.wa7ad kan kaidir fi sabon ta7t garsono ohowa ibda taigol a7 a7 a7 jato al 7ala tani.chibani akhar 3rayan b7al al bebe bgha ibrak baidato nazlo homa lawlin,tgol ghir boeing 747 nazla fi LAX,
NASSI7A: ILA KONTI FI MERAKECH OMCHITI LIL 7AMAM 3ANDAk TAKA BACH T-HAZ AL 9OB.TIZAK FI KHATAR,RA GHIR AL GHADARA TAMAK ,ANTA MA3LIK MA BIK TAKA BACH T-HAZO TAL9A WA7AD MIN WRAK TAIGOUL LIK 3ANDAK TANABAR.B7AL ILA ANTA 3ANDAK MA7LABA.
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11:47 am    July 15, 2003
GOGO
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SALAM,
Hi khoti al maghariba!!!!
Because of being a reall moraccan I can tell u that moroccan 7mmam is one of the best thing we have....but unfortunatlly some of them are really dirthy and even stinky....in this case I can blame the women ...I am sorry ladies{I am a lady and what I am telling u is a honest experience.
Every time I went to 7ammam {in my nieghbor }at the door I smelt smt stinky and I did`t know what is it after many time I discovered that some women use {ocrole} this is a hair dressing very famous in morocco.to make thier hair soft. it`s ok ! but why they use it in the 7ammam ?
Because of my health condition I can`t bear this kind of smell....but on the same time I love to go to 7ammam.......
Now I heard from my Mom that there are many modern 7ammamate clean ones....that make me fell happy and now I can`t wait.....
by by.
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11:29 am    July 15, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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Nssitou SABON LBELDI ? it's brownish, yellowish.. they sell it in thin plastic bags in the Hammam.. I have no idea what it's made of, but I remember the smell was very ancient smelling :]
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10:45 am    July 15, 2003
mouna
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Hi guys,
U can`t believe how much I miss [hamammate al blade}it is really our special tradition in morocco [I am raelly proud of it].By the way I have a joke about al hammam.
[wahed rrajel mcha al hammam a 5:00 dyale ssbahe ou kane khawi ou dkhale lel[barma}ou chafe wahed aandou rajline dyale lhmare howa yhreb ou gale lel ttayabe { wahde rrajel aandou rajline hmare galou bhale hadou ha ha ha.
have a nice day.
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10:23 am    July 15, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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You girls don`t really wanna know about our memories in the ladies hammam....., he he he he

I wish i can go now....

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10:11 am    July 15, 2003
newraiooer
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That's the most nostalgic topic, nice memories.
When I was a teenger, I hated lhemam I prefered taking my bath at home just because we used to go every weekend and it was full and hot.
Now, I would give anything to go to lhemam everyday. when I go back home, I try to go as much as I can.
just a correction of the word : bidou, it's l9eb not bidou, a bidou is a plastic jar.Nowdays, hemmam is also evoluating, you don't sit anymore on the flour but u bring your own plastic chair for the sake of protection from germs, I wanna finish all the steps a woman does in a hamam.
so Once you fill up all the 9bab you have, you go to the warmest room to get warm " sekhen" so when u rub every corner of your body, the dead skin goes out easily. You keep rubbing from 20 to 48 min until no dead skin is coming out. (cha3riya).
The next step is the hair, you first use Alghassoul, then shampoo then the conditionner. some use lhenna before alghassoul.
when you put the conditionner and leave it for a while, meanwhile, you put henna mixed with lemon and water all over your body and face, you leave it from 5 min to 10min, so you can have a nice tan.
then you wash everything, your body with a nice body wash and your hair from the conditionner. You have spent 1 hour to 2 hours in a hammam. and all you smell fresh.
I miss lhamam, I never fought in a hamam.
what I didn't like is raizor (rasoir) were everywhere. Some women don't go trash them in the garbage and sometimes you see some kids playing with them.
I invite guys to tell us about their memories as boys in a women hamam
then y
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9:28 am    July 15, 2003
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OHHHH Godddd!! kayen bezzef mayt3awed 3la l7amammat dial maroc especially dial la7ya2 cha3biyya... hadouk bo7dithoum comic dial dda7k...Actually i have a question: has anyone of u guys had a fight in hammam? For me i had one.. hahahahha ..i hit a woman with stal cause i was walking by and she had that many stoola hdaha and it was no room to move so u can get water from the berma .. so when i was walking one of the her stola's hook scratched me in the leg and i just shaved so u can imagine how bad it was... so i hit with the stal cause instead of appologizing and moving her god damn stola she started bitching.. and since i talk with my hands somtimes.. i hit her so she could shut uo... heheheheheh... oh i was baddd...
Peace And Love
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8:54 am    July 15, 2003

wedadeya message
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hhaaha ,

I loveee alhamam it has somthin special i dunno, but I will ONLY go ALONE and in a PRIVATE rooom, otherewi$e ra hmama dyal aldar kayen :D hhahahha

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6:54 am    July 15, 2003
Kassal
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SsssssiiwwwwwwwW ! Wa ta tle9 Skhoun !! Ahh
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12:43 am    July 15, 2003
oasienne
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wa drari ch7al da7aktouni:)))))))))))
Eyaaaaaaaaaah sweet memories, wa koun ghir kan chi "vaisseau spatial" nkhadmou fih ykoune fou9 el maghrib, ou n3ichou fel marrok!
ah dikrayates ma ka techrach bel mlayen!
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8:06 pm    July 14, 2003

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OUmnin yantfa DO!... hehehehe I remembeeeerrrrrr when those yellow cheap lights went off! lkhal3a, zzggaaaaa, SH3AL DOO! SHA3LO DO A RABE7! MOUL 7AMMAM KATQARZAZ 3LINA WED LA7raaaaam!.. wa7ed shwiya yji DO.. 10 seconde ouywelli yatfaaa! hahahaha.. khatar! hahouma kiyasssa jaybin Shme333 hehehe m3a les silouhette kaykhal3ou! wow, dak lmandar dyel l7ammam mdawwi bashma33.. katakhroj 3la barra talqa Derb kamel tfatt DO LOL, ddar 7atta hiya, bqa Doq fel bab bash y7allou
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7:48 pm    July 14, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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Ana ne39al 3la khair merra mchit fiha lel7ammam dial le3yalates, he he he he,walakine mab9itch 3a9el 3la chnou cheft...,walou wata9oul.

walakine lli zouina hia hadi ch7al makanouch 7ammam linnissa2, we7dah hammam llirrijal, kanou rjal kayebdaw m3a lefjer, kayssaliw m3a diik 9 wella 10 dial sba7, wle3yalate kayssaliw m3a diik 7 dial le3cheyya 3awtani rjal kayebdaw tal diik 11 wella 12 dellil , kent kanemchi ana welwalid w khouya lel7ammam nhar l7edd fesba7, m3a lwalid khassou y7ouk liya welkhouyya welrassou, kaneb9aw 7naya llekhrin felhammam, dima kankherjou kanel9aw le3yalates dayrine seff,

wem33a ta lhammam fiih lli hada weld khalti hada weld moul cchi, lli kaytikhalless kayakhoud men 3and chi 3yalates le9faf dialhoum wyebdda ydakhelhoum lelhammam, bach yched lihoum leblayess, wa7ed nhar 7naya yallah salina belbiss dial 7wayejnna w wa7ed lemrra dekhlat mchat katjerri ldakhel dial lhamma bach tched leblassa, w houma yteb3ouha ga3 le3yalates, b9ina 7naya gha kanchoufou, tasalaw bedkhoul 3ad khrejnna, walakine lwalid kayt3a66el felhammam, meziane, dima 7naya lekhrine , walakine la faute dialna ana w khoya 7it makennach kanfi9ou bekri.

zlii9 lli kan zouine, kenna kandirou le9bab mssetfine wnebdaw nzel9ou b7al f ski, wal7y77a, wmelli kankherjou kanebdaw n9albou ta7t lekrassa 3la leflouss, ch7al l9ina dial leflouss, chi nass kaybedlou kay6i7oulihoum leflouss, kayeb9aw temma takanjiw ana w khouya kanmikhlou 3lihoum... he he he
yaleyyam aleyyam

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6:43 pm    July 14, 2003
sanita
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I remember dabiz dial el hamam....3la lablassa wala tayaba...chkoun alli sba9 allawl...I remember when I was a kid I used to hate to sit next to hadouk alli dayrin el 7ana wala el ghassou....specially when they start washing that stuff off...I grew up going to the same hamman and I called tayaba mouy fatima ...I wonder if she's still alive
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3:55 pm    July 14, 2003
Arabi^7ta^Nmout
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This discussion Jogged my memory under category l7amam, and I recalled happy, joyful, skin-reeking and suffocating times. There was one and only one 7amam we liked most for the only reason that is cleanness. I dreaded undressing under glass-piercing glimpses of strangers. After we enter into the realms of spas and blend in with many other strangers for a washing venture, I find myself hardly able to breath and many times requesting to transfer to the cooler room, ?lbared?. I hated that part even though I had the most thrilling desire to go lay with the grownups in the hottest room, ?Sskhoun?, it was a real challenge! Maan!! I also hated ?Lkassal? for his mean and certainly not a shy way of scrubbing your skin. I?ve always demanded to be spared the ?luxury?, I?d call it chore, of having a personal ?kassal?, just let me go about my own business!
Yeah! Sometimes I?d meet a ?weld derb?, man, we?d turn the place into a playground, running, sliding on feet, stomach, kicking shampoo bottles around, and marking our territorial zones with buckets of water. That was fun! In the aftermath we?d savor the sweet out of those icy, juicy oranges we kept cool in the fridge, then we?d hit the caf? for a cold, refreshing glass of milk with ?sirosport 7mer?...man,a lot to say but when do I stop?!

Even then I never liked l7amam, let that be men?s or ladies?, and I remember both :). I still prefer home edition of l7amam, but may be now I?d like going back to the ladies? 7amam :)
Cockroaches! That I?ve never seen, or I simply blocked out of my memory as a result of a defense mechanism. I don?t recall anything about the architecture except for ?l9bab?, which I thought looked cool.

L7amam, keep it home.

Peace N Love

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2:59 pm    July 14, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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Lwa3rra hia dial wa7ed nhar, che3lat l3afia felhammam, wkan sba7 m3a diik 10 (donc le3yalate houma lli kaykounou fessba7) wa lmout dial da7k, le3yalates kharjine kayjerriw 3eryanine, wa kimma kanou felhammam kimma kharjou..., wennas kaymoutou bedda7k,
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12:33 pm    July 14, 2003
baby^love
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hahahahahahah... wak wak Nego wallah 7ta tanabki bedda7k daba ohhh my Godness! karchi darratni bedda7kk.....gallek zeyzwar fi l7it hahahah fekkertini fi wa7ed nhar mchi l3end ma tante ou sakna fi sbeta fi casa i think u know what i'm talking about... lmohim , melli a sidi shaft dak les rasoires sawweltha galt liha 3lash ti lass9ouhoum tamma galet li bash yasta3mlouhoum les autres who don't have one .. i was like mannnnnnnnn that's sick....heheheheh... Nariii dek l9adiyya dial 7ak li dahri wallah ya khouya 3end la3yalate matibghiwch tatgoul llik 7agga sakhfana oula tata3tik another reason... ana i asked wa7ed lwa7da merra bdat tatshakka 3liyya hagga dahri hagga rassi ... wana ndour fiha galt liha magalnash lik kasslina!!!! wow nariii 3endi ana des memories 3la l7ammama wow man3awedsh likoum...
But i still love going there with my friends for tbargigg and stuff like that.. heheheh
PEACE AND LOVE
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11:14 am    July 14, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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Serra9 ziit, wezlii9 wezeyzwar lasse9 fel7ay6, hadick heyya 7lawt l3asskker, (^_^)

I`ve been to old hammamates but they are not really that bad as it sounds from some replies, there is some that are dirty but just the bathrooms, not the inside since water is flying every where, sserra9 ziit kaydour fe toilet matkhamouch, walakine machi ldakhel, walakine lli zouina heyya makayen ghir wa 6la9 skhouuuuuuuun, wdik l2asswat dial lkessala lli kaydirou melli kaykounou kaykesslou chi wa7ed, mouazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, a7777777 bba9 mermella9, a9leb,

temma fin katchouf social life dialna zouina bezzaf, katemchi lhammam bou7dek katebghi t7ouk dahrek katemchi 3and chi wa7ed wa7ed tedwiza 3la dahri alkhwadri llah y7efdek, day7ouk liik, tgoulou choukran ygouliik hania , douz chouia yjjji 3andek, kha chi chouia dial champwann (^_^) , wellah tadakechi nass yechriweh belflouss.

yasalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam

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10:46 am    July 14, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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The slippery tiles and Sarraq zit in the old-fashioned restroom of the Hammam.. and they're not your average or small sarraq ziiit, they're HUGE, long, dark, and with very long antennas! they fly in the restroom, they may end up on your lower back while you're kneeing.. :\

Honestly, I feel impressed I used to use it and tolerate it.. There's no way I can use it now.

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8:37 am    July 14, 2003
baby^love
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As far as i'm concerned, going to hamam is one of my favorite thing to do in morocco... wow i feel so relaxed and so clean actually i feel like i'm a new women ...but the thing that i hate about hamamm is the slippry tiles..Oh my gish! i remember melli zla9t avec un stal de l'eau froid( hehe) actually it's kinda my fault cause i don't wear sandals in the hammam.. However, i still love the hammam and it's gonna be the first thing that i'm gonna do when i go to morocco....
Peace and Love
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6:37 am    July 14, 2003
oasienne
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wa shehhitouna f chi tahmima:)Each time i go back in morroco i try to go there.Even the shouting does not bother me anymore:)Wa 7lawt el gossip in the hammam:)
wa sa3datak assi antr nte f scandinavia, blad sauna!
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6:02 am    July 14, 2003

bou_rass message
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It's a good subject to talk about , but where r the hammams ...give us some phone numbers or ads of some of those baths over here ....I heard about turkish baths In the city where Iam now ,but I heard that it's the perfect spot that shi nass (gays and lesbian) look for there hunts ..(el 3yado billah)...
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9:06 pm    July 13, 2003

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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The encient Arabs called Hammam "Attabib Al Abkam" (the deaf doctor). and I agree with that to a certain extend...
I go to the Hammam when ever I get the chance, it is not just about getting properly clean , but also because hammam provides you with that peacefulness and relaxed feeling afterwards.
It is true that it can be a serious project for some folks to dig up themselves out of the layers of dead skin and hamri covering their "true self"... :) . but in general I would avoid crowded hammams simply by ovoing the rush hours and days...
Since childhood, I hated the echoing screams and shoutings in hammam, but always loved to lay on my back and count the falling drops from the ceiling.

During a visit to Istanbul, I went to their Hammam. (they have kessaL too!) they would give you a towel to put it around your waist, and the inner side of the hammam is beautifully designed in an oriental style (like in the picture above) , having a plate form of marbre in the middle of each room, were one could lay on as to get heated up.
the experience was nice...

Up here in Finland, roughly every house hold is equiped with a sauna, it cleans up the body provides the same relaxation and stress relief as a hammam does.
So I use it every weekend .

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5:55 pm    July 13, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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Ok, no women are talking about Hammam here :] I take it the new generation of women don't go to Hammam anymore.. no? As for dirt in old-fashioned Hammam, I have to agree with you.. It's unbelievale! but somehow, and I don't know how, I have been able to tolerate during my childhood and teenage years. Maybe the Hammamat I used to go weren't as dirty as others.. I don't know. But I remember the grounds were clean. All you do is wash them once or twice by pouring a bucket of hot water, and then it's yours! As for the new modern Hammam, a big turnoff is they're expensive! and they don't have the charm of traditional Hammam.. hmm maybe the dirt factor has developed as a charm? I don't buy that, but there's something about it.. way be the fact that you feel comfortable being around people from middle and poor class, people of the Sha3b, I think that's what it is!!!
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5:46 pm    July 13, 2003
Peace_Maker
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Hammam is not actually a bad place to go to. The thing is, which hammam are you picking? Most of traditional Hammams are a dirth zone; However, you can still enjoy the relaxation and cleaniness in some new modern ones. Of course you gotta pay some extra money, but it's worth it since you will feel what a regular bath can't offer you.

Cya 'round Guys!
Peace Maker.

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4:34 pm    July 13, 2003
Hmad
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Hammam is the dirtiest public place in Morocco
Thanks Allah I give up going there since 1991
I can?t even imagine going there even to ask for directions
KABAHA Allah Elfaqr and really very sad the majority
Of Moroccan can?t afford to have bathroom at home
And 1% have palaces just locked and unused
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3:14 pm    July 13, 2003

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Actually one think you notice about old-fashioned Hammamat in Morocco is the lack of ornaments, lack of garnished architecture, good material, and in some hammamt even lack of cleaniness. A clean Hammam reflects good manager, owner and patron. These patrons are rare however. In the old days, in 1800s Hammam were an important business and only the wealthy used to own them. By mid 1800, the wealthy started feeling the impact of the industrial revolution and switched their focus to other businesses. Hammamat since then were picked up only by the poor patrons, and usually frequented by the middle but especially the poor class. In fact, that's why you see they lack the great architecture and ornaments they used to enjoy before 1800s.
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LA3MARNA Legacy..
Chilling Like a Mqedem in Morocco..
Alone in the Wilderness..
Are Iranians and Americans Blowing it Up?..
Are we a virus..?..
How come Morocco is silent to Dalfour, Sudan?..
Barreling Towards an Iraqi Civil War..
Pomme and Kelly ..
Intelligent Design and Evolution in not so American lands..
The Prophets animated by Steve Whitehouse..
More with Claudio Bravo..
Muslim Texans..
Hajj Stampede Gone Ugly!..
Self-portraits 001-002..
Why Faith?..
Online 7awli Souk!..
2006 !..
 
2005
Derbouka Bled Attack..
Adopted HIV kids from Romania..
Operation Mapping Raioo Love!..
They burnt themselves.. Come'on!..
My Winamp Skin: The New Beetle..
The Forbidden Zone film that electrified me!..
Cousins skyblogging..
Chilean artist in Morocco..
Moroccan Blue tops colors!..
Osama in FAMILY GUY..
Baraka Art..
Itsy Bitsy knowledge..
The most misunderstood [and growing..] world religion, Islam..
Moroccan Christians..
Polygamy in USA..
Architecturing to joy!..
This Moorish cult in America..
The Magnificient King Vulture..
Al-Rashid and the Fart..
On the subject of Evil Eye..
Anecdote on Life and 3ibada..
Anecdote on Giving in Time of Need..
T-shirt design: L'Amoureux!..
Craig Thompson art..
The Real Origin of Smileys :)..
T-shirt design: Happy Sailor!..
T-shirt design: threadless in Kufi..
T-shirt design: Magic e-lamp..
My August '05 T-shirt Designs ..
Your Living Space..
The Raioo Story: 2. in the garden..
The Raioo Story: 1. intro..
Arabic Beat and Instrument Music Wanted!..
 
2004
RA?NA RAI Legacy..
Algerian Chaabi..
Nour L'Koufi (Gharnati)..
Hidalgo in Morocco..
Le Secret d'Elissa Rhais..
Imam Shafii. Soni N'nafssa..
Feqqas (Moroccan Biscuiti)..
Casablanca Connect..
 
2003
ZEBDA! Un Groupe Genial!..
Al Moutanabbi. Idha Ghamarta..
Imam Shafii. sa'fir tajid 3iwada..
boston.food.Tangierino..
Long Distance Honey ..
The Working Wife and Husband..
The Hammam Public Bath: Do you still go there?..
Hip Hop Classic Favorites!..
Down With Love..
Lord Of The Rings..
How To create a Moroccan remix of a video clip ? ..
 
2002
Why we don't eat Porc?..
Do You Play Music?..
Hidoura: Your Moroccan Natural Carpet..
Khaddouj Slam-dunking From Marrakesh To New York..


FAVORITES
Hmida Rass Lmida à L'Avare de Molière!
Moroccan City Names
Shining ability is a gift...
Halloween SPECIAL 2007: La Mort D'une Souri!
Cheikha Rimitti: 83 Years of Life...
Why do we pray ?
short ones
ABSOLUTE RAIOO Summer 2007 Rai vol.2
Cheba Zohra & Mahadattes de Rilizane
Close Encounters of the Moroccan Kind!
Biyouna
Another attempt at writing. Will this language ever feel natural?
North Africa Journal
Moroccan Tattoos
From Los Angeles to Casablanca!
Amina Alaoui Lyrics
Dr. Hassan Al-Turabi
Vulgarity as revolution: Lemsakh we tsalguit
Les Oiseaux De Figuig!
ghir bessyas a moulay!
QURAN FLASH
Moroccan Playing Cards Game ronda v1.0
A Call From Algeria to Help Suffering Little Boy Mounib!
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