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Adnane Ben.
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Monsieux Mehdi Ben Barka: Un Marocain Assassiné Qui Visait Plus Loin Que Les Autres..
06:56:29 PM Friday Jun 2, 2006

..oui, plus loin que les autres, mais tres proche du Maroc... pour l'int?r?t de l'homme et de la femme Marocaine.

Ba Mahjoub,

Je te remercie profond?ment de ton intervention de me montrer ce documentaire historique. Tu n'aurais pu choisi un temps meilleur, car il n'est jamais trop tard pour connaitre ce grand Monsieur Mehdi Ben Barka. J'ai toujours entendu ce nom ?tiquet? derri?re un titre inf?me ? L'affaire ?, mais peu j'en savais. Je suis profondément touché par le génie, la vision, la productivité et l'influence de cet homme. Ce pauvre Marocain, qui comme nous observons le documentaire, nous absorbent - la tete en haut - comment il l'a fait pour devenir plus que quel roi doit étre, ? devenir cet homme multidimensionnel avec un dynamique international, pourtant ne jamais courir loin d'aider le noyau marocain et l'Alg?rie voisine. Mehdi nous rend tous fiers d'étre des Marocains, pourtant tristement en douleur de ne pas rouler un mini bille de ce que lui et ses camarades ont roules.

En outre, je me renseigne sur le nationalisme merveilleux que lui et ses camarades (Istiqlal) ont exhib? lors des négociations avec la France, au tel sujet sensible meme: comment ils d?siraient gerrer le future d'un Maroc post-Francais. Ils d?siraient fortement que le roi revienne, loyaut? et integrit? bravo messieux au contrastre a une usurpation catastrophique, pourtant ils ignoraient naivement le fait qu'ils passaient une occasion inflective pour équilibrer soigneusement la puissance législative et exécutive entre eux et la monarchie en voie de rapatriation.

Hé, méme les meilleurs n**** la hafla des fois!

@dnane - les yeux en chagrin regardant fixement la photo s?pia de la maison de Monsieur Ben Berka en Medina garni avec des bouquets de fleur de la part de personnes qui m?ritent beaucoup mieux.. jusqu'a ce jour.

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8:23 pm    June 7, 2006

Adnane Ben. message
Aziz, the regime was oppressive no doubt about that, however, what does one expect from a young king who just inherited a newly independent country, still freshly garnished with European infrastructure and business interests, a commerce heaven, and with dynamic politicians hungry for a share in government power to implement their good-intended visions, and military colonels who can strike at any moment.. what can one expect from such a king, except the pure natural instinctive old game of Survival!

The young king had to do what he had to do to survive, even if it took the lives of some good people, and even if it meant an opressed populace for the next 40 years. In other words, no competition, sustainance of the ancestry monarchy, and at the end it boils down to the old instinctive game of Survival coming true.

Nobody cared for you or me, who were not even born yet. The circumstances then needed a SHORT TERM reaction from the point of view of the Makhzen. The social and communist politicians had LONG TERM visions, the fellowship, the patriotism, the faith and the know-how of executing them immediately only to find that Makhzen was the Big Tall Wall of Moroccan Berlin. Two intelligences, one had to win. Unfortunately, the one with the strongest arm, the one with more carte-blanches, the one with naughtier foreign relationships, the one with the fastest strike perfectly smashed its opponent.

It is only nowadays that the king and all of us have the luxury of debating and implementing maybe, Long Term ideas. What is needed are the very ingredients that Mr. Ben Barka knew his people had: the fellowship, the patriotism, the faith and the know-how.

Do we have these?


4:57 pm    June 7, 2006

Aziz Bezza message
It's always nice to be proud of who we are and where we came from that's something innate and given only by nature.
I doubt that any moroccan hates his homeland, but loving somebody who demonstrably helped degrading lblad is insane. It's true and a good fortune that Morocco avoided the path of commies, but at the same time the people lived under an oppressive dictatorship that hindered all attempts to create basic government institutions essential to a continuous stability and development of the country.
there is nothing wrong with monarchies so long as accompanied with a democratic constitutions and europe provides vivid examples on the subject.
I remember when i was young no one dared critcizing the king, questioning the govenment or even speaking loud about political freedom because everybody was conditioned by previous events.
all this only gives more reasons to love the previous king, and certainly had given people the strength to shout " long live the king"
Albert Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

3:57 pm    June 7, 2006

Aziz Bezza message
We needed him back then when good political players were of great value, when the secret formula of justice was unknown to most Moroccans, and also when the Meghzen " filthy institution"wasn't full-fledged. Back at the time good, and pragmatic political leaders had opportunities to set functional systems and strong foundations for future generations to come. the world was bipoled;and major powers cared, the population was small and the national debt wasn't bad. now and because of our lovely post independence political leaders (shikhat) lbled lives in a quagmire_ even spaniards (gypsies) are slaving moroccans_ some of our young blood prefer risking their lives crossing to europe rather than stay in lbled, could it be any worse? What would Ben berka do to help at this time? frankly...Nothing.

3:34 pm    June 7, 2006
Ben Barka has the respect of the entire country, whether we write it on this forum or not. Ben Barka like many many country boys defended his country to the indepence in the name of Alah, alwatan, al Malik. All those people deserve respect.

Again with all due respect to the person of Ben Barka, as a communist, he in my opinion would have probably been a perfect fit for Algeria a communist country... a place more in sync with his ideologies. On the other hand, who why Ben Berka died? the answer in my opinion is that he might have been in direct competition with Ofkir (Sefah) in regard to power struggle, which ultimately led to his demise by the latter.

Personally, I think our Monarchy is a brilliant system and a great example for democracy... I have said this and I will always preach more of it. Here we have a Moroccan who was adequately formed to be great leader. A person whose only motivation is to make the coutry a better place for his people. I have always said this, but the king by himself cannot do much. However if surrounded with the right people to make a strong gov. they can do a lot for the country. People choose the gov.. The king is a mere supervisor or may be the supreme one. Someone to oversee what the gov. is cooking. I think this is ideal for us since it eliminates chances of getting wackos into power... I have always admired Hassan 2 considering the condisions in which he ruled, and I am also one of the greatest fans of M6 even before when sceptics went hard to attack even his style of delivering speeches. M6 is making history!!!


12:45 pm    June 7, 2006

Adnane Ben. message
When you think about it, who could have imagined where Morocco would be now if the monarchy didn't return to governance, and political parties took over. Soon after the monarchy returned, there was scissure even within the very very that Mr. Ben Barka founded UNFP.. even assassinations between the very "mounadilin" within the allied parties. Who knows man, maybe Morocco would have turned into another laboratory of political equations that would have gone more corrupted with time. Maybe the military would have put the political parties into submission and turned Morocco into a military dictatorship like Pakistan and Saddam's Irak.

Who knows, worst thing could have happened.

I know one thing and that is if Mr. Ben Barka's birth got delayed one generation His majesty King Mohammed VI would have accomodated Mr. Ben Barka into a visionary path for Morocco, appreciated his dynamic and intellect.


2:28 pm    June 4, 2006

Aziz Bezza message
Certainly Adnane I'll give you a call to set a date ( just read the message in your cellphone)
_you are absolutly right oufkir is from 3ain ash3ir 50km from Bouarfa towards errashidia. Another guy from figuig who was strong in the opposition back then and a close friend to lfkih lbasri ( see your doc) was nicknamed la3war or lfkih la3war, i don't know whether he is alive or not. i do know however that he was confined to his residence in rabat for a long time.

6:38 pm    June 3, 2006

Adnane Ben. message
You'e still alive!! where have you been mister Aziz? let's get together offline one of these sunny weekends,, I knew you were going to comment somehow on this post knowing your strong opinions on Morocco's sixties and seventies :)
Question for you though, wasn't there some guy very close to Makhzen implicated in some infamous events, who happened to be from Figuig? quiet a wealthy man.. remind me of the name please... I'm about to say Oufqir but I doubt it.. is that true?

6:26 pm    June 3, 2006

Aziz Bezza message
Man! that's a good piece of history, i couldn't help watching the whole doc. Ben berka was a great moroccan nationalist and a missed opportunity for lbled to develop.
Good job.

6:25 pm    June 3, 2006

Aziz Bezza message
Man! that's a good piece of history, i couldn't help watching the whole doc. Ben berka was a great moroccan nationalist and a missed opportunity for lbled to develop.
Good job.

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