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Adnane Ben.
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Still Sharing Copyrighted Music On The Internet?
12:00:00 AM Saturday Oct 18, 2003



Are you still illegally downloading copyrighted music without paying for it?

Are you one of those who recently stopped using file-sharing programs like Kazaa either for fear you'd be sued, or because you realize you ought to respect the artists?

Do you even think music artists deserve money in return for their works that bring joy and satisfaction to us? or do you simply care about FREE stuff?

For those who have a good habit of consulting with religion, what do you think Islam have to say about this? Is file-sharing of copyrighted artistic material LEGAL or ILLEGAL in Islam?

How can Islam step in to help solve this problem?

» Now read this article that talks about the continuous crack down on illegal file-sharing on the internet...

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3:17 am    July 20, 2004
simosimu
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salam!
jaime le rap marocain et sur ce site il ya trois chansons de rap...recommand?es ;-) ciao

http://www.slaoui.tk reply

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12:47 pm    October 23, 2003
lost_in_trance
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Wa dima lfabour, especially kazaa light. No matter what you guys end up this discussion with, file sharing is the best thing created. I use it to download everything from softwares to movies still playing in theaters.
helps me in school ("MATLAB"), and for entertainment. Even though the songs i download are not copyrighted, filesharing is free, good for the community, use it love it have fun wa salamoo alaikum wa rahmatoullah. tahiat al alam.
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5:44 pm    October 20, 2003
Sanita
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well I never utilized these programs so I am not concerned...CALL ME OLD FASHIONNED but whenever I hear a song that I like I go buy the CD even though we all know that they're so OVERPRICED ...if the CD itself costs 1 cent to make!
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3:50 pm    October 20, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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Excellent account of music observation!

So do you think it is fair that the music industry is suing people who have been reported sharing music files on the internet for free? If you're sued you're facing several thousands of dollars per song.. that's a lot of money! and believe it or not, people are being sued.. some of them college kids.

Is this the right strategy to correct this phenomenon of file-sharing? if no, what's the alternative you propose?

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1:17 pm    October 20, 2003
pianist
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hem..i have to shed some light then over what you`re discussing...

First of all,music is "saint"...God has created everything, therefor God has created Music...yes, and billions years befor he created this so-called MAN...i would sound sensless for some of you if not all of you.

i studied physics, astronomy and music. i`m sure everybody realises that music is just an arrangement of sounds, and sound itself, naturally is a result of mouvment during a considered time. most of musical instrement work on this theory..you pull out the string of the instrement...you make it vibrating: these vibratory mvts expending as waves through the AIR when it reach our ears, it seem to be a sound...
Suppose now if there is no air, like if we are in the inter-planetry space...this sound has got no mean to expend forward...if you scream, nobody can hear you. so imagine to all the planets and all the stars whe swimming harmoniousely in this vast space...their vibratorial mvmts sure are making sound, a polyphonic sound, well arranged like the mvmts...which we cannot hear and is out of our ability to just imagine, eventough some musicians tried to work on it, some one i think called Gotae..somethink like that, has composed a similar soundless music called..THE PLANETS.
music is sure beyond what we may think...it reflect our feelings, anyone says then music is haram...i recomend him to listen the first mvt of beethoven`s fifth symphony..and let him judge then oneself.

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12:30 pm    October 20, 2003
bladi
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well yes.. but try tell that guy that ...

it is a shame, because we, moroccans have been known for being open minded and for certain lifestyle that is propre to us not imported from some country far away
music is not haram, if you think it is then you have been brainwashed ! so you are a dwarf welcome to the ''other world''

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12:23 pm    October 20, 2003
Maverick
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unbelievale,other nations like usa,russia have sent men to the moon,even china just did it last week,and we muslims still argue if it's halal or haram to enter the door from the right or left side, what a waist of time. "takhalouf" and religion are closely related,look at all muslim coutries are backward,south america too is backward because catholicism is strong, africa same shit,so think about
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12:20 pm    October 20, 2003
bladi
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oye monkey !

you are the one who i recogn should read ... read again... and read again and finally get yourself an oxford dico and then click on reply ... (you might have to re-reread just to be on the safe side)

on a serious note .. my point was monkey ... whats a subject like that got to do with religion !!!

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12:11 pm    October 20, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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For those who have a good habit of consulting with religion, what do you think Islam have to say about this? Is file-sharing of copyrighted artistic material LEGAL or ILLEGAL in Islam?

How can Islam step in to help solve this problem?

Next Time read 9bel matne99azz bla mayo...

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12:07 pm    October 20, 2003
bladi
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man why doest have to bounce back to religion ! you know what poeple you have ruined the topic....

I was expecting a discussion about music... laws.. copyright....who's right who's wrong ... instead I get this charabia about islam vs music...

by the way music is a big part of my life and if it turn out that it is ''wrong'' to listen to music in Islam well some decision will have to be made ... funny enough I know which one it will be....

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12:04 pm    October 20, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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I said would you like your kids to listen to that ????
you can`t control kids, they might hear it , and then be using those words , and learn hatred from their early ages.... there are so many examples about these kind of music.......,

Hatred is part of us too, certainly there is a side for hatred in our Brain, but some humans successfully escaped from it, but are they limiting them selves???
Was the Prophet(PBUH) and all the messengers and the people who don`t listen to music limiting them selves ??

Regarding The BETTER APPROACH to music , i`m sorry i`ll pass , when the first word on a song is suck my d..., i wouldn`t listen to that and i wouldn`t only make that decision for my self , but as well for my kids....

Question:
If a Song talks about Jews and how bad they are and calls for their hatred and to kill them, do you think this song shouldn`t be banned?

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11:02 am    October 20, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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First of all, the art paradigm is something that is part of us. The right side of the brain is responsible mainly for processing pictures, graphics, abstract and creative things and thoughts which include music. If God gave the right side of the brain this responsibility, humans will never be able to escape from using it. If they do they would be limiting themselves.

For the rap music you mentioned, 3awd lil and co. instead of banning yourself from listening to it, a better approach is to listen to it if you have to and decide for yourself based on your principles if you still want to continue listening to it or not.

The impact of art on people is strong, could be bad and could be good, just like any other thing in this life, including religion itself.

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9:58 am    October 20, 2003
why?!@#
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Source:

http://www.inter-islam.org/Prohibitions/Mansy_music.htm

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9:57 am    October 20, 2003
why?!@#
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This statement, he repeated three times. This view is unanimously supported by the four Khalifas, the eminent Sahabaah, Tabi`een, the four Imaams and other reliable Islaamic scholars and authorities.
One hadith from the Bukhari Shareef, the most authentic Book of Hadith, further confirms unlawfulness of music and singing :
`There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`
Detailed analysis of the arabic word `ma`aazif ` shows that it refers to musical instruments, the sounds of those musical instruments and singing with the accompaniment of instruments.
Closer analysis of the wordings of the Hadith establishes the prohibition of music. Firstly, the words `seek to make lawful ` shows that music is not permissible, as logically one can only seek to make lawful that which is not allowed. Secondly, if music was not prohibited, then it would not have been brought within the same context as fornication and wine-drinking.
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9:55 am    October 20, 2003
why?!@#
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Hillou :) I don't care what the religion has to say, but this what it says ;)

Music is Haraam
References within the context of the Holy Qur`aan along with the Hadith of the Prophet confirm that music is haraam.Interpreters of the Qur`aan have defined the term `lahwal hadith` which is mentioned in the Qur`aan as:
1) Singing and listening to songs.
2) Purchasing of male and female singers.
3) Purchase of instruments of fun and amusement.
When Sayyidana Abdullah Ibne Mas`ood , a very close companion of our Prophet was asked about the meaning of the term `lahwal hadith`, he replied ?I swear by Him besides whom there is no other God,that it refers to ghinaa (singing ).?


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9:17 am    October 20, 2003

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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Hana ghir hnaya a maverick,
Stealing is 7ARAM from a muslim or a non muslim, Rebbi gal (wassari9ou wassari9atou fa96a3ou aydiyahouma..) magalch wassari9ou mina almusslim, wella wassari9ou mina alkafiri, ha 7aja t7aydat,
Is downloading copyrighted music without paying for it 7aram, YES it IS 7aram, because you are taking something that is not yours without paying for it,


whoever bans music and art is living in the darkest ages

Answer:
No they are not , do you want your kids to listen to 3awd lille, especially their last 3 songs? when you hear the F word in arabic, wlad le97..., 7w..., suck my d...., all kind of dirty language, ??? so if somebody bans this dirty music is living in the darkest ages ???

Any ways as fender said if the Music lyrics are about romance and sex and any thing that is not appropriate according to our religion then it is 7aram.

3wacher mebrouka

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1:53 am    October 20, 2003
oasienne
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le probl?me est simple pour moi: khtkoum jibha khawi had sa3a dopnc kan downloadi ta kan chbe3 fabor(surtout jazz music).
Bach nwelly ghaniya nbda ndiha fel copyright.
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1:35 am    October 20, 2003

fender (full stop) message
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I don't mind paying for music. But i really mean music and not the music industry...!!!
One CD cost about 20 euros= 22 $ (+/-).
In this 20 euros, i'm paying 10 euros to the disk company, 3 euros for the CD ( as a device), 2 euros for the company which transported the CD from "Taipei " China to here, how much have we left ? 5 Euros!!!
well i'm sure the store gonna take his 3 euros and finaly the artist off course he get his share too which is 2 euros ( if he's lucky to get so much).
I think the music industry is implementing a completly wrong strategy. They wil never win.. How can you fight millions of users all over the world? .. They do can intimidate but the fun stops there...
I think they have to reveiw their strategy and find a way to sell music again which is not as expensive as the present one.
Selling mp3 for example. i' m pretty sure that the same albm but digital this time wont cost more than 5 $. without forgetting the boust it wil have for the hole industry.
2-
Wach music 7ram ou la 7lal , i heard somewhere sometime that if it has nothing to do with islam (anachid islamiya) than is it makrouh. wallah ou a3lam.
salam
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9:50 pm    October 19, 2003
Maverick
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I'm talking about moroccan talibans,don't tell we have no taliban last time I was there I noticed a growing number of moroccan "integrites" wearing long robes like uncle Oussama they just didn't wear the turban ,it seem like these guys import their fashion staight out of kabul or kendahar. I guess u can call them "taliban without a turban" because they follow same ideology
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9:09 pm    October 19, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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wadrook Taliban are history, and whoever said taliban is the reference to Islam?? whoever bans music and art is living in the darkest ages
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9:06 pm    October 19, 2003
Maverick
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MB,desole j'ai signe a ton nom
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9:05 pm    October 19, 2003
Mb
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MB,ce n'est pas moi qui dit ca,c'est les talibans qui a leur tour disent que allah qui dit ca et c'est a eux les porte parole du dieux (God spokemen)de .. alors ils ont le droit de nous rabattre les oreilles avec leur stupidite et etc,it's a long story,you know the rest
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8:34 pm    October 19, 2003
mb
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music is 7aram??????!!!!!!! rassoul used to listen to poems....noooo????? what is the difference?????? serieusement j ai horreur de juger les gens mais la tu y es alle vraiment fort ...c est le bouquet....ewa safi .....tuez ns pendant ke vs y etes....privez ns de ce k il y a de plus beau....j hallucine!!!! ce genre de discours me degoute ( i don t mean you personally maverick)...laisser les gens vivre en paix lah ikhelikoum ...li bghga imchi l jahanam yemchi ou li bgha yemchi l jenna yemchi ...c est pas vos affaire apres tt ....
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8:14 pm    October 19, 2003
Maverick
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Adnane,are you one of thoses moroccan liberal muslims who make their couscous with wine just like "coq au vin"
I think the question should :is listning to music halal or haram? taliban think it's haram,
Once u convince u that music is halal,then u can ask if it's ok to steal or not,until then
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6:39 pm    October 19, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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kikh kikh kikh kikh, gallek if he's kafer then 7lal steal from kafer, .. this is the most entertaining evil thing I've heard today :)

How about if it's a Muslim, then we should kiss him and love him? I wish Muslims do that.. Muslim world would be much better

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6:29 pm    October 19, 2003
mb
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hahahahaha...steal it if the guy who made is kafer...hahahaha on en voit des mures et des pas vertes....
copyright gives a property a certain creativity which should stop us from copying it or reproducing it ....of course you are gonna say ...well am just copying it for my self...am not selling it ...( which is i think a fair use) but if we think about it as a million of ppl doing this same "fair use" we realise that it does cost huge amount of money to the recording companies...
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4:12 pm    October 19, 2003
tarikaz
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stealing is wrong whether you are doing it to a kafir or a muslimm.. where do some poeple get the idea .. if these guys are bad then hold them acountable for their bad deeds not steal from them, first of all their music doesn't belong to you in the first place
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4:08 pm    October 19, 2003
tarikaz
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sorry this is an unrelated message:

wafin.com annouced the launch of the FIRST american-moroccan MAGAZINE, check it out!
lata

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4:02 pm    October 19, 2003
Maverick
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Adnan ,this is loaded question ,very controversial for most moroccans.Ok I'll try to answer it to the best of my ability.If the artist is a kafir or simply not a good muslim,then it's Halal to steal his or her music. I maybe wrong,but where's Negociator when you need him???
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2:52 pm    October 19, 2003

Adnane Ben. message
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Someone could say that those who involve themselves in such an act ought to have their hands cut off. According to the Shariaa laws of dealing with thievery, given that acquiring copyrighted music for free is an act of stealing money from those who created the music, produced it and marketed it.
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American Muslim Fun Video Blogging!..
Open War in the Middle East?..
Touche Po a Mon Zidane!..
Ronaldinho Joined Zawya....
Marock!..
Draw Live!..
Zoo Animals Need e'space..
Les ABRANIS: Prodigy of Rockabyl..
Sofiane Saidi: Cet Algerien Trip-rai Hopper..
Lemchaheb Legacy ..
Zahra Hindi, Beautiful You!..
Jajouka's Winds of Moroccana..
Google Language Translation: English to/from Arabic..
Aziz Mekouar, Ambassador of the Kingdom of Morocco to the US..
Google Shoots Microsoft.. One.. More.... Time!..
Monsieux Mehdi Ben Barka: Un Marocain Assassiné Qui Visait P..
Yale, Taliban and Weld L'Hashemi....
Near-eastern Muslim Scholars..
Three Algerians on Highway =]..
Moroccan Riverdance!..
Moroccan Candle-toe Dance..
Moroccan Qassida: Vraie Poesie!..
LA3MARNA Legacy..
Chilling Like a Mqedem in Morocco..
Alone in the Wilderness..
Are Iranians and Americans Blowing it Up?..
Are we a virus..?..
How come Morocco is silent to Dalfour, Sudan?..
Barreling Towards an Iraqi Civil War..
Pomme and Kelly ..
Intelligent Design and Evolution in not so American lands..
The Prophets animated by Steve Whitehouse..
More with Claudio Bravo..
Muslim Texans..
Hajj Stampede Gone Ugly!..
Self-portraits 001-002..
Why Faith?..
Online 7awli Souk!..
2006 !..
 
2005
Derbouka Bled Attack..
Adopted HIV kids from Romania..
Operation Mapping Raioo Love!..
They burnt themselves.. Come'on!..
My Winamp Skin: The New Beetle..
The Forbidden Zone film that electrified me!..
Cousins skyblogging..
Chilean artist in Morocco..
Moroccan Blue tops colors!..
Osama in FAMILY GUY..
Baraka Art..
Itsy Bitsy knowledge..
The most misunderstood [and growing..] world religion, Islam..
Moroccan Christians..
Polygamy in USA..
Architecturing to joy!..
This Moorish cult in America..
The Magnificient King Vulture..
Al-Rashid and the Fart..
On the subject of Evil Eye..
Anecdote on Life and 3ibada..
Anecdote on Giving in Time of Need..
T-shirt design: L'Amoureux!..
Craig Thompson art..
The Real Origin of Smileys :)..
T-shirt design: Happy Sailor!..
T-shirt design: threadless in Kufi..
T-shirt design: Magic e-lamp..
My August '05 T-shirt Designs ..
Your Living Space..
The Raioo Story: 2. in the garden..
The Raioo Story: 1. intro..
Arabic Beat and Instrument Music Wanted!..
 
2004
RA?NA RAI Legacy..
Algerian Chaabi..
Nour L'Koufi (Gharnati)..
Hidalgo in Morocco..
Le Secret d'Elissa Rhais..
Imam Shafii. Soni N'nafssa..
Feqqas (Moroccan Biscuiti)..
Casablanca Connect..
 
2003
ZEBDA! Un Groupe Genial!..
Al Moutanabbi. Idha Ghamarta..
Imam Shafii. sa'fir tajid 3iwada..
boston.food.Tangierino..
Long Distance Honey ..
The Working Wife and Husband..
The Hammam Public Bath: Do you still go there?..
Hip Hop Classic Favorites!..
Down With Love..
Lord Of The Rings..
How To create a Moroccan remix of a video clip ? ..
 
2002
Why we don't eat Porc?..
Do You Play Music?..
Hidoura: Your Moroccan Natural Carpet..
Khaddouj Slam-dunking From Marrakesh To New York..


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