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Middle East Short-term Forecast: Hell!
12:00:00 AM Tuesday Mar 23, 2004


Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, founder and spiritual leader of the militant group Hamas, is dead, along with one of his sons and his helpers. He was assassinated on March 22, 2004 by Israeli air forces in a 2nd successful attempt approved by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Yassin is the most senior militant killed since the beginning of the Second Intifada. This was justified by Israel the same way the US justifies Ossama Bin Laden as a terrorist. Israel announced that this killing secures the state in the long-run. France and the UK are highly skeptical and condemn the murder. The US did not condemn the murder. One wonders whether the war in Afghanistan against Al-Qaeda or that in Iraq has made the world any more secure, let alone the assassination of a prominent palestinian leader.

How does this murder play with Sharon's plan for the evacuation of Gaza? The past couple of months have been relatively peaceful.

As the palestinians mourn Yassine, the Israeli citizens continue to live in fear and the US continues to ask the palestinians to swallow the bullet.

King Mohammed condemned the brutal killing. The royal message recalls that the Kingdom of Morocco has already expressed refusal of Tel Aviv's orientation to conduct "systematic brutal raids, and through the adoption of the logic of assassination and force to subdue the brotherly Palestinian people with its various constituents and institutions."

Can this be the beginning of peace as the palestinians realize their resistance is futile? or is this the beginning of the next episode of Hell in the Middle East as Hamas sympathizers vow to take revenge? and who knows, maybe attacks elsewhere? how much bloodshed will result from Yassine's killing? how many lives will be saved?

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9:54 am    April 5, 2004
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hahahahaha t es grave!!!!!!!!!....a sidi ma3endi mangoul.....msaaali...j etais deprime ce matin mais dehektini....merci....lol.....
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9:08 am    April 5, 2004

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It`s Negotiator with a T not a C, and it is alqaeda not alqueda...
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12:18 am    April 2, 2004
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Hi guys Negociator is a member of al-Queda
Yes he's Moroccan too
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11:30 am    March 31, 2004
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I have a suggestion for you adnane. you got nothing to lose but evrything to gain.
Adnan Oktar, same first name as you, is a turkish scholar who wrote more than 200 books explaing islam from many point of views, and made many vidoes on nature and its relation to islam.
everything he has on his site is free....the videos and even the books...i suggest that you can help letting raiooster visit this enlightning site.

PS: one of his books discuss the fact that matter does not exist!! you will be asking many kestions after reading some of his essays or watching one of his videos...especially those talking on existence

www.harunyahya.com

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8:01 am    March 31, 2004

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Hey Guys,
Destroyer is Moroccan he is the same guy as Mad, Momo....from previous postings...
bla matssed3ou rasskoum m3ah, rah ghir dawi wsafi baghi y6ella3likoum demm chi chouia wella bezzaf w safi....
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7:14 am    March 31, 2004

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I'd ban both of you and not only you. The dialogue between you two got too offensive, emotional and empty. I called idiots, meaning ignorant people, those who admire the web site he provided since it lacks authority, sincerity and a drop of good analysis.
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6:57 am    March 31, 2004
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how come it's okay for you to call him idiot while we can't ???
raioo injustice for all
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6:56 am    March 31, 2004
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May peace be upon those who follow the right path

to Destroyer the enemy of Allah and his messenger:
I am not affraid of a a nobody like yourself, you can't even spell "freaking",nor affraid of FBI, CIA, Mussad or any other tyrants.
Guatanamo Bay... u think ur scaring me?? is that ur civilized world model for a 21st century country. Preaching democracy and peace while attacking nations and holding elderly people and juveniles for ages without any valid accusations.
Unjust and idiot leaders with unjust and idiot followers.

Mr Adnane: Destroyer insulted our religion, our prophet and almighty Allah several times, and your reaction is to ban me because I am defending it while you're sitting there watching and playing the wise guy that has no jealousy for Islam. This is indeed wrong.

Here, I said it and I don't care if you ban my ip because guess what?? there is ways arround that and u know it so don't threaten me and threaten him ( destroyer )

Peace

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8:45 pm    March 30, 2004

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You mean if you want to waste time, read rumours and unfounded stories then go to that web site. The web site clearly targets idiots who obey FOX news like channels, can't think for themselves and ask questions. Maybe you should hang out more often in raioo to learn different viewpoints.

I ask you and 7areg to stop exchanging insults, you can do that in private, but one more time here and both of you are out. Think twice before you post next time. Save your emotions for other constructive things.

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8:01 pm    March 30, 2004
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I ask you to stop making threats or I call FBI,CIA and co.to send your islamic ass to Guatanamo Bay. You frealking Allah meniac.Get lost u frealking terrorist.
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5:25 pm    March 30, 2004
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to destroyer!
if u have a phylosophy or religion or thoughts u believe in i would be more than happy to c what these toughts are and learn from them.
the wisdom suggest that u ask pple of speciality about their speciality, which means if i want to learn about judaism id better ask a judaism scholar the same thing goes for christianity, islam, mathematics, biology and so forth
thats y i suggested the harunyahya site to you coz it is well presented and explain islam in an easy and good manner

hope you understood me and i wish you happiness

Peace

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2:33 pm    March 30, 2004
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hey if you don't believe in our religion.. LEAVE IT ALONE
How dare you, you ignorant idiot, label our glorious religion not peaceful.
what other religion tolerates people of other faiths?? lets them grow and prosper and ensures that their rights and freedoms are not being jeopardized and besides.. u come out of the jungle to tell us that our religion is not peaceful, u think that a single vermin like urself is gonna move one BILLION 200 Million Muslims + from the right path and the ways of our beloved prophet that is a lot of envy and hate for ISLAM the religion of the TRUE and ONLY God ALLAH.
Mr Idiot I advise you to leave Muslims alone because u're waisting your time preaching your atheism or.. should I call it Zionism because your words are far from being from any other religious group
I leave you with the curses of Allah
from the deepest of my heart I ask you to Islam or burn in eternal Hell
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1:20 pm    March 30, 2004

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Dexter's laboratory :P

You forgot to mention Nigeria... which brings me to resurrect an old discussion in canal Spirituality entitled Shari'a: Definition, Role and Value

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12:50 pm    March 30, 2004

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Nego,

I think what Mb was trying to say is that you cann't spread something that you don't have....(In this case, Justice)
In otherwords "Fa9ido shay'i, la Yo3tih !

For many, the only true justice is Sharia... let us allow one or two countries experience it...I am sure that if the outcome would be a happy and productive society, with justice and fairness for all , then
I am sure that the rest of 1,2 billion muslims will adopt that model . because by then the proof that Sharia is compatible with the 21 century would not be questionabale .
Unfortunately the countries wich we have right now in the "laboratory" (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Taliban-Afghanistan) are not showing attractive results ...



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8:11 am    March 30, 2004
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You maybe peaceful,but your religion is not.
And if I want to learn the truth about Islam, surely I'm not going to find it in islamite web site harunyahya.com.The guy is a Muslim,he can't be objective about the subject.Because he believe in that crap.If you want to learnthe truth about your religion visit :islamreview.com a good site by non-Muslims.
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8:07 pm    March 29, 2004

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u say that muslim are expected to spread justice.....??????????? Yes Just like they did when Islam was spreading.


who are those muslims u are talking about...??? All those Muslims who know that The Prophet said ( ballighou 3anni walaw Ayah) and Those who know the meaning of (kontoum khayrra oummatin oukhrijat linnassi ta2mourouna bilma3roufi watanhawna 3ani almunkari wa tou3minouna billah..)

who gives us the right to spread this justice...? ALLAH did

and who said today s muslims are fair and just...? No body said that, they are not, and i said they have to be , you said it was a theory.


and who would you suggest for this task...ben laden????? some molah from taliban regime?????????? orone of our great arab leaders?????????? wa sahbi sois raisonable...c est bo de rever mais pas autant.....

Did i say Benladen? or those names you gave? There is Only one islam, and Only one justice, Neither Ossama nor molah are applying it....and what Arab leaders are you talking about?? do we have leaders?? they can`t even hold a meeting , wba9a katssemihoum leaders... siri ALLAH ye36ik chi 39al wye36ihlihoum tahouma, (don`t assume that i have one) 7eet tana 3a msse66ii (^_^)

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7:23 pm    March 29, 2004
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To destroyer....
i wish that all evil that confront you vanishes so that u can live in an inside and outside happiness. as i told you before, we can have a discussion without insulting each other...i agree with you there are extremist among the islamic nation and so there are in all other nations...but we should seek the middle path coz whomever takes religions with extremisim it will overthrow it.
since you are a non-muslim here is a site that shows what islam is...so that you can have a fair idea about moderate muslims...at the end we are all brothers in humanity....
i wish you happiness

PS: here is the site : www.harunyahya.com

Peace

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4:58 pm    March 29, 2004
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Nego......

a sidi call me whatever u want...just answer my question...u say that muslim are expected to spread justice.....??????????? who are those muslims u are talking about...??? who gives us the right to spread this justice...and who said today s muslims are fair and just....and who would you suggest for this task...ben laden????? some molah from taliban regime?????????? orone of our great arab leaders?????????? wa sahbi sois raisonable...c est bo de rever mais pas autant.....

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2:01 pm    March 29, 2004
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Oh,you got me scared with fairy tales about Allah non-sense.
And stop making threats u fucking islamo-faschist.
Good Muslims are not supposed to curse and use filthy language.Cerainlly your allah is not helping you in Palestine,He is not helping in Afghanistan,He is not helping in Iraq,He is not helping in Chechnia and other places.
Muslims are big loosers all over the world.So SHUT UP you freaking Allah 's fanatic" fou d'Allah.You are freaking dangerous for humanity,you should be locked up in Gauatanamo Bay.
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1:08 pm    March 29, 2004

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MB,
ce ke je dit c juste un etheory oui c normal , car si on l`applique elle sera une realite duuuuuuh, dakechi lach kangoulha car si elle etait deja une realite ca sert a koi de la dire encore....

You became the Queen of assumptions ....
when i talk about Quran i don`t say my Opinion i always say what the scholars say about things, i don`t explain the Quran my way, i olny copy how the scholars explain it....

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9:52 am    March 29, 2004
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thanks
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9:51 am    March 29, 2004
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you have to be an expert in the Arabic Language and in Islamic studies to say your Opinion about something in the Quran.

and i guess u are an expert in the arabic language and islamic studie...coz u often give ur opinion and explanation of the koran.....am impressed....zidna 3ilman nego.....

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9:48 am    March 29, 2004
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they are expected to spread justice ....are you okay nego???? who are they to spread justice...what is justice??? don t they have to be just and fair first before spreading any kind of justice...rak tu parle de theory a sidi regarde la realite.....
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6:15 am    March 29, 2004
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believe or don't believe, proceed with your sick mind @ your own freaking peril
may the curse of Allah be upon you, you freaking ignorant idiot You!!!.
you said "we don't believe in your hell". it's not mine and we don't have much years left to live (definitely less than 3 digits).
then when we DIE we're gonna see if there is a Hell or not. then and only then I would remind you "you idiot" of what you said.
Islam is spreading and SPREADING fast whether you agree or not. You can delay it but you cannot Stop it.
You wanna stop the light ( guidance) of Allah, But Allah will show and reveal his light whether you like it or not.
The grave yards are full of people that said the same BS that ur preaching But the almighty and all powerful is living and doesn't die and He will judge all of us. and that's when you're gonna be asked and Reminded about this discussion
May You burn and burn and keep on burning for eternity
" aslim taslam" this is a warning to you and all idiots of your kind
May Peace be upon the followers of the right path
and Allah Is The greatest
wal7amdou lillah rabbi al 3alamine
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11:04 pm    March 28, 2004
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Destroyer, i respect the fact that u do not believe in islam...but i wish you not insult my religion as well...and let us respect each other and live in peace...no hardfeelings

peace

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10:53 pm    March 28, 2004
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We don't believe in your freaking so-called holy book,so we can't burn in your freaking hell.And by the way the so-called Islamic paradise dosen't exist.It's all in your head,u freaking Islamic idiot..
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10:43 pm    March 28, 2004
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Nego,don't worry man, I think Uncle Oussama Bin Laden is doing a good job spreading the message.
Just mind your own damn business,and leave people alone if they don't want to paray 5 times a day or do Ramadan.
Your book say no compulsion in religion,right?
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6:52 pm    March 28, 2004

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There is no PEACE & HUMANITY if there is no Justice.

Speaking of Justice, that is what ALLAH expects from Muslims to spread Justice in Earth , ALLAH didn`t tell you be a muslim and that`s it you will enter Jannah, he sub7anahou wa ta3ala said that you have to spread teh Message which is Islam, indeed he said (lakoum dinoukoum wa lia din) But do you know the circumstances for this ayah? - it is when the kuffar told him let`s worship your God one day and worship our Gods one day, a thing that we should never do.
But Muslims are aquired to spread Islam. because one day in front of God some one who was not a Muslim will tell ALLAH that this Muslim should be punished as well because he didn`t show me the right path.

?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????????
??????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???????????

Let`s try not to explain the qura the way we want, refer to the qualified people in your explanations, read tafssir before you post your understanding of the Quran...
we always say that it`s Arabic and we know what this or that means , but not with the Quran , you have to be an expert in the Arabic Language and in Islamic studies to say your Opinion about something in the Quran.

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4:54 pm    March 28, 2004
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May all your dead ones burn in hell
u freaking idiot
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4:00 pm    March 28, 2004

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MB, I have a correction to make:

Annassou bi'aeimmatihim.
People are tightly affected by the status, reputation and product of their scholars (or lack of).

aeimmatihim, plural of Imam, means leader in the general sense, and not scholar.

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2:46 pm    March 28, 2004
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There are many people that have their bodies as graves for their heart, because to be alive is to have an alive heart not just a body .as Ibn Quayyim has said.
"yawema la yanfa3o malone wa la banoune illa man ata llaha biqualbine salime" koran.
no one speaking in this chat room was alive hundred years ago and no onewill be so in hundred years from now then we will meet the next life.
"tabaraqua lladi biyadihi lemolko wa hoa 3ala kolli chaye2ine quadire, alladi khalaqua lemaweta wal7ayate" surat almolk
al7ayate that comes after almawet.
so let us be proactive, responsible, and positive.
love yourself so that you can love others
be merciful on yourself so that you can be on others
Goodness shall and will prevail sooner or later....
wafaka allaho lejami3 limafhi lekhayer

Peace

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2:30 pm    March 28, 2004
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May he rest in pieces (not in peace)
Isreal blow his head off into pieces,good job.
I know the Cheikh is your hero ,too bad for u
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2:13 pm    March 28, 2004
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hassbia allaho wa n3ma alwakil.may god enter cheak aljanaa
with ashohdaa.and it is not enough from mouhamed VI,he have to cut any rolationship with the israili from a long time.
and ina lilahi wa ina ilayhi rajihon.
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1:21 pm    March 28, 2004

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That's a wrong statement, and a typical US media (e.g. Fox) stereotype.
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1:14 pm    March 28, 2004
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I know ,I know Muslims all over the world must be depressed about the death of cheikh Yassine. Now they have only one Islamic heroe left : Cheik Oussama Bin Laden.I hope they will him soon.
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9:56 am    March 28, 2004
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Peace quotations from western thinkers:


The purpose of all war is ultimately peace.
--Saint Augustine

If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
--Thomas Paine (1737-1809)

The real and lasting victories are those of peace, and not of war
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

If you want world peace, fight for justice.
--bumper sticker

The opposite of war is not peace, It's creation
--Jonathan Larson Rent

Peace is not the absence of war; it is a virtue; a state of mind; a disposition for benevolence; confidence; and justice
--Spinoza

One day we must come to see that peace is not merely a distant goal we seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at that goal. We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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9:13 am    March 28, 2004

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After you do that, make sure you uncheck "Auto-select".
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8:26 am    March 28, 2004
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It's okay just enable the arabic encoding on your computer

go to View> encoding > arabic ( windows)

good luck

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8:02 am    March 28, 2004
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Koran is not a terrorist handbook as u mentioned coz it does not push for violence and mass-killing but on the otherhand self-defence (which is not suicide bombing or killing of innocents)!
The intentional killing of a person looks like "killing of a whole nation" that's why it's forbidden in koran and Islam. Suicide is definitely a "No No" in Islam.
Koran incites for peace, negotatiating...All what was mentioned about infidels and jihad was reference to the old days when islam was in the threeshold, the beginning of it's introduction to the world and based on historical facts there were a lot of enemies who were against it and wanna eradicate it and abolish it's principles before it takes a good standing.Koran though did mention to defend it and stop invaders and try to spread it out...
Now Islam is in a stage of maturity..it doesn't need Jihad or invasions or whatever.. We are not in the era of "Hamalat assalibia alkobra" or religious wars..etc..Islam is growing faster than the wind but if it stays as the religion of peace that does not harm anybody. But fundamentalists who are really a bunch of psychos prefer the other way around it...they like to interpret koran differently, misuse the language and twist it, indoctrinate their own blurry vision... preferably like to mislead people with ideologies and see blood rather than brotherhood!
Koran says: "Lakom dinokom walia dini" which implies that there's respect for other religions and fundamentalists are in every religion: Sicks, buddism, Islam, judaism and christianity...which is the nature of human beings and existence, there'snt only white and black but there's gray too...!!
My idea is to avoid fundamentalists wherever they are and marginalize them as they don't serve for good at all coz their motive is just as distructive as it could be to humanity and peace!
Let's believe strongly in PEACE & HUMANITY with no color, religion or ethnicity..


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7:26 am    March 28, 2004
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Guys,
From time to time we get posts i believe with the arabic script which our system does not support!!
So, it's no good to have a large page or paragraph posted in arabic but nobody could read it ....like the one below.
I would suggest to post only in french or english unless there's another alternative to solve this issue!!
Adnane, any suggestions in this regards.
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7:16 am    March 28, 2004 This is an unrelated or foul message..
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huh? k..i dont really understand what you just said..with all those khara letters..but anyways..just the other day i called my family members in morocco fes, to see what's going on n' stuff..and then my cousin said that poor people in morocco wants to try and kill king mohammed..mostly terrioists but i dont know if its true or not..can some one tell me if it is?

shokran ..represting:morocco/fes!!

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8:43 pm    March 27, 2004
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salamo alykom
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i hope that will give to all us little understaning of the meaning of "?? ??????"
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4:20 pm    March 27, 2004
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merci adnane....

i read the BBC article and i have another one about cheikh yassine... ( the terrorist / the freedom fighter.. appelle le comme tu veux nego )

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3218,36-357798,0.html


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3:58 pm    March 27, 2004

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hmm ok I'll try. The explanations will be based on those provided by the Egyptian scholar Sheikh Mohammed Abdou in 1889, and I'll add my own comments from time to time.

Ala wa inna al3ilma a7ssanou 3ala 3illatihi.
3illatihi means forms and types, referring to knowledge. this means that knowledge is always good in all its forms and categories. How this knowledge is used is a different story.

Waljahlou aqba7ou 3ala 7alatihi.
Ignorance in all its forms is abhorred.

Wa innakom ashqa man adhallat'hou ssama'ou in shaqiya bikoumou al3oulama'ou.
If your scholars don't benefit you with their "knowledge" and guide you with their "wisdom" you will be the lowest community on earth.

Annassou bi'aeimmatihim.
People are tightly affected by the status, reputation and product of their scholars (or lack of).

Fa ini nqadou bi azimmatihim. Najaw bidhimmatihim.
azimmatihim is plural for zimam and it is what you guide a horse/donkey/mule/camel with.

Wa nnasou Rajoulani.
People are two types.

3alimoun yar3a.
A Knowledgable person, scholar, who applies his expertise and wisdom to serve people and serve the science he is involved with.

Wa mouta3allimoun yass3a.
A person seeking knowledge until knowledge becomes solid in his brain and his soul which consequently produces good deeds, clear decisions and can be called in turn a scholar, moving from the status of someone cared for to the status of a responsible person.

Wal baqoun hamilou na3amin. Wa rati3ou an3amin.
The rest are people who neglect managing their lives, the lives of their familly members and whatever they own. They are neglected eventually.

Waylou 3alin oumira min safilihi.
It is pitiful the situation of someone who enjoys good status and has good reputation to be given orders from those who are less wise and fortunate than him.

Wa 3alimi shay'in min jahilihi
And what an idiot a person is who is knowledgeable in something but accepts advise from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to that subject.

I tried my best, but if anyone has any comments feel free.

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3:26 pm    March 27, 2004
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"...Ala wa inna al3ilma a7ssanou 3ala 3illatihi. Waljahlou aqba7ou 3ala 7alatihi. Wa innakom ashqa man adhallat'hou ssama'ou in shaqiya bikoumou al3oulama'ou. Annassou bi'aeimmatihim. Fa ini nqadou bi azimmatihim. Najaw bidhimmatihim. Wa nnasou Rajoulani. 3alimoun yar3a. Wa mouta3allimoun yass3a. Wal baqoun hamilou na3amin. Wa rati2ou an3amin. Waylou 3alin oumira min safilihi. Wa 3alimi shay'in min jahilihi...."

adnane....desolee mais j ai pas tout comp`ris ...tu pourrais pas traduire....!!!!....

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2:43 pm    March 27, 2004
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The postponement of the Arab summit in Tunisia for indefinite time ...
"Al aarab tafakou aala an la yatafikou"
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2:15 pm    March 27, 2004

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As we all know the word SWORD is a symbole of wars and killings.....
Can you find the sword in the Quran ? just once .
look on the bible and see how many times the word sword mention there.

and please get back to us with the answer.

Adnane,
when we say ihdina assira6a almusta9im, that is every thing we want from this life, because assirat almusta9im is what will make you a happy person here and in the here after, after all that`s what we all want , that is why Alfati7a is oumm alkitab and also a summaty to what comes in the quran.
In other words ALLAH asked us to ask him to show us the right path, and then he shows us the right path through out the whole Quran.
It`s like the introduction/summary to what`s in the quran.
Just like when the prophet(PBUH) said that if you read surat al2ikhlass , like if you read 1/3 of the quran. the reason why , because 1/3 of the quran speaks about taw7eed, and surat al2ikhlass that`s all it mentions.

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12:36 pm    March 27, 2004

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My friend, I see your point or Amr Khaled's point on positiveness. But how would you relate that in a practical way to our discussion?

On another note, I believe what's worse than what you mentioned are two categories of people I wouldn't want be part of them:

1. Ignorant people governing over intellectual people. Basically knowledgeable people taking orders from less knowledgeable people without any disagreement or resistance.

2. Knowledgeable people contributing nothing whatsoever.

As Badi3 Zaman Al-hamadhani wrote in Al Maqama Al-wa3diya in his book Maqamat Badi3 Zaman Al-hamadhani:

"...Ala wa inna al3ilma a7ssanou 3ala 3illatihi. Waljahlou aqba7ou 3ala 7alatihi. Wa innakom ashqa man adhallat'hou ssama'ou in shaqiya bikoumou al3oulama'ou. Annassou bi'aeimmatihim. Fa ini nqadou bi azimmatihim. Najaw bidhimmatihim. Wa nnasou Rajoulani. 3alimoun yar3a. Wa mouta3allimoun yass3a. Wal baqoun hamilou na3amin. Wa rati2ou an3amin. Waylou 3alin oumira min safilihi. Wa 3alimi shay'in min jahilihi...."

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12:33 pm    March 27, 2004
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I read your so-called holy Koran,full of contempt of the non-believer,a violent book full of hate.I think Uncle Oussama is folowing the Koran hundred percent anyone who said otherwise is a lier and a hypocrite.
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12:12 pm    March 27, 2004
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I mentioned positiveness as a pillar of success of individual, families, countries as well as nations. it is not my conclusion, it is scholar's conclusion as well as the Koran statement.

here is the proof:

Verse76. ?And Allah puts forward (another) example of two men, one of them dumb, who has no power over anything, and he is a burden on his master; whichever way he directs him, he brings no good. Is such a man equal to one who commands justice, and is himself on the straight path??

This verse names the passive person ?a burden?, and the positive person ?one who commands Justice?. Would you like to stand before God on the Day of Judgment as a dumb burden?

And why did the verse specifically say ?one who commands justice? and not just ?positive??? Because positiveness could be very easily aimed at corruption and injustice, hence it would harm the society instead. The verse is raising a question ?Are they the same??? Are Muslims of nowadays the same as those who were there during the golden days of Islam?? Gentlemen.. we are going to stand before God.. are you willing to accept God saying to you: ?You were a burden.. you were a Zero?

this is part of amrkhaled speech number 3 on positiveness, so guys do we need everytime to discuss without doing anything and be dumb or be positive and use what Iyyaka na3bodo wa Iyyaka nassta3ine stand for?!

Peace

PS: the example above is taken from amrkhaled site....a modern scholar that speaks our language!

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11:37 am    March 27, 2004
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adnan.
alfatiha is a little prayer !!???!!???!?!?!?!?!?!
you disagree with amrkhaled, but did you listen to what he had to say? i bet you didn`t you just took what the guys here said about him and made your comment. go listen and read more about alfatiha, God didn`t call it oumm alkitab just like that, people wrote books and books about it, and here comes one guy who doesn`t even know if alfatiha madania or makkia to say i disagree with amrkhaled, you sound just like a football player saying that he disagree with Einstein.....
and if you really understood what peacful said you wouldnt disagree with amrkhaled because he simply copied what ibn al9ayem said, if you don`t know who ibn al9ayem is: he is a student of ibn taymeya , if you don`t know him either ,then read about him and become like then\m so when you talk you can have your opinion, but an opinion without knowledge is simply nothing.


Live free or die free.


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11:23 am    March 27, 2004
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How about discussing Moroccan terrorists.Yassine was a terrorist Cheikh full of hate who brainwashed poor Palestinean kids.Have you ever wondered why Hamas leaders never send their own children to die as suicide bombers? It's always the kidds of poor families in refugees camps.Moroccans are the last people to give moral moral lesson to anybody.How can u help the Palestineans while u can't help yourself.Look at you,you still live under a midieval absolut monarchy,and thousand of Moroccans die in the sea trying to cross to Europe supposedly the land of infidels and kouffars.
Remember Sharon was elected legitimately by Israeli citizens.And Bush was elected by American citizen. You don't agree with that? So what,but can you choose your own leaders? Of course not,there's not one Arab or Muslim country that all citizen to freely choose their leaders.So SHUT UP and mind your own business before criticising others countries
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10:16 am    March 27, 2004

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With all due respect, I have to disagree with you when you say these palestinians who use themselves as bombs are only motivated by "pussy". How do you explain then the women who got engaged in the act?

I believe that these people are foremost motivated by revenge, despair and inability to face the relatively superior force of Israel. When you have these ingredients, all what others can do is spark it with a little spiritual motivation, and that's where the faith comes into play.. I tend to believe it is a wrong play, unfortunately late in the game of the palestinian.. too late, those spiritual justifications were all what he/she needed to go ahead. I cannot judge them though, they must have gone through mind blowing excercise before they blew themselves.

I look at the haulocaust of the jews by the Nazis, and I yet to find an instance when jews blew themselves up. They could have, many young people saw their famillies getting killed, and they must have had feelings of revenge and despair. May be someone can tell me what is it that the jews did right at that time so they now have a state of their own and one of the most powerful militaries in the world in a few decades.

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8:42 am    March 27, 2004
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In a contextual sense it means "the intro." it was the opening of the holly book. On the other hand it can be used in every context, coz it's a consentual agreement that you are a muslim, it's a thankful statement to God, that delivers peace, the notion of greatness of God, and begging for assistance as to purusue the right dedicated path by God. It's useful as "Daawa" in a diffrent level. It enhances a psychological balance for muslims, awareness as it strengthens the muslim's will and empower them "al'aazima". I am not an expert in Theology but I see it as a wonderful introduction that sums up a lot of things.
Returning to our main subject, the reading of Koran in some subject matters would not help at all solve big eternal issues such as the one we are tackling!! and it's even self-explanatory in koran itself "wakol iaamalo fasayara ellaho aamalakom" this is meaning you have to do something in a positive way to reach success not stay waiting for the rain to turn into gold as one of the "Sahhaba" said.
Let's be logical and quit this religious ideologies, there is points in which politics crosses with religion but they never go hand-in-hand coz it's just a paradoxical thing to happen. They are two dichotomies (politicians are just liars and religion just deny that kind of behavior...and there's a lot of contradictions betw. the two.) I liked very much what was suggested in post #46 by Antr. one funny thing though is most of these suicide bombers they were promised 76 or 75 virgins, it's just the weakest link of this whole issue, those guys they live in calamity and a damn stupidity to such extent that they are looking for just the "pussy" as a goal or motive!!! isn't that terrible. I watched recently Bill Maher (a comedy anchor) bashing that in his show HBO-"real-time" and said :" to stop terrorist from the middle east we have just to give them some pussy..".they need tons of "Playboy magazines" and "Penthouse" and they gonna be just fine!!! It's just funny coz it's somehow a true assessment.
This Jihadist's ideologits they brain-wash illeterate people and mold their brain the way they want promising them pussy they have never had or maybe even seen!!
another questions that was mentioned why the US supports Israel and vetoes for anything that would harm them coz of course of the strong lobbying they have, the rich billionaires who invest generously in their "cause" and they are willing to do anything for this small country. Look at the funds for palestine from Arabs is below what Japan and European community used to give as funds.these countries they give more than any other arab country. Another thing, Check the list of the richest billionaire on this planet and you'll see many from the Middle East without mentioning the ones on the down low who escaped from the list of the 100 richest people on Forbes magazine!! Most of them they really don't give a fcuk what's going on there!!
Arab leaders leaders are using the same broken records of condemnations etc.. but don't do a thing!! check the last veto was against who? you will figure it out? where are our lobbyists and how many: Darrel Issa, James Zogby, or Ralph Nader??? who from these guys would voice his concern!!
I think peaceful solutions would be the best for palestenians because in terms of power and political balance they are loosing...I am sorry for this sarcatsic example but it just looks like the soccer team of Ethiopia VS. Brazil and I leave the the result for u to guess!!! They better concentrate on another beneficial healthy strategy and get another coach like " Zaki" to lead them...Sorry---I am just trying to be funny!!
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8:34 am    March 27, 2004

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You suggest that pressure be put on Israel to dismantle settlments and stop finantial and military aid, here is the only pressure you will get from the USA on Israel. The two militaries seem to work together, US makes the big guns, Israel adds the pluggins, the ingenuity, the accessories, while the rest of the world goes in futile circles trying to find a solution for peace in the Middle east.
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8:26 am    March 27, 2004

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Enlighten me, give me a valid argument, write something that challenges what I wrote. And in fact, we repeat Al-Fatiha many times to remind ourselves that this life is only the beginning.

I have no clue why you got bothered by what I said to the extent you start talking about me going away form the right path, and what have you... How about you try to debate ideas and try to leave the "person" out of the debate as much as possible. We're not in a presidential debate yet.

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6:13 am    March 27, 2004
witty

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In Morocco poeple drop the B. and say "SSmellah" instead. :)
I guess that's why many businesses go bankrupt ...

just kidding :)

Easy ...

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6:03 am    March 27, 2004

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The Muslim scholar of Spain Ibn Arabi muhyeddine wrote a beautiful piece about Al Fatiha. He said that the secret of the whole universe is in bismillah (some scholars see the basmala as part of al fatiha and others do not) and the secret is in the B and the secret of the secret is in the dot under the B.
Al fatiha means not only the opener but also te conqueror (al fatih), so with the fatiha's blessing one can open closed doors and start a new business.
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5:52 am    March 27, 2004

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Today there is a big march of support with PALESTINIANS and condemnation of the brutal killing of Sheikh Yassine. Shamoun Levy the secretary general of the Jewish Moroccan community in Casablanca condemned the killing but the Arab newspapers took from him only that part. I spoke with him and he told me that he condemns also Hamas killings. When I used the word 'jaliya yahoudiyya' he got mad and said we are not a jaliyya ma jeenaaach mejliyyeeen men chi blasa hnaaa soukkaan al maghrib. he is right we should be careful using that term. He missed only the point that Israeli occupation is there and Palestinians are allowed to resist by UN standards by any means necessary. The US did not condemn the killing for one simple reason: lhabba we l3aka dyal Israeli lobby in the US. AIPAC promises Bush to finance his campaign and Araft promises Bush lots of kisses ...and beaucoup bzaaak. The equation is easy: les flouss contre les ryoug. Wa jirani what would you choose?
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4:48 am    March 27, 2004
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Adnane dude
what kind of reasoning is that ?
You think ?? with all due respect Mr adnane I truly believe that you're lost. I also think that sometimes you just say stuff to act like the moderate moderator. I really used to disagree with people calling you Adnane boy. However; I strongly believe that's what you should be called. How dare you say something like that "al fati7ah is just an introduction for the Koran" ... ma7echamtiche ??? aren't you ashamed to say something like that, without any knowledge, just like that .. out of the blue. If it is an intro then why do we pray each prayer using it+ our prayer is not complete w/o it. also what is the reason of repeating this "intro" over and over again if it doesn't have some kind of a deep meaning and a great summary. I advise you and myself to do more reading on this matter because this "thinking" of yours is going to get you away from the right path. don't get me wrong I am not saying that you should belive whatever you're told, however; you should check what The prophet PBUH has said about the fati7ah + it would be best if you read or listen to an explanation of it
llayehdina weyehdik

salam

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2:26 am    March 27, 2004

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Even if the Palestinians were not Muslims, they would have
committed suicide attacks.
the Japanese did it, the Vietnamese did it. and none of them was promised 72 Asian virgins.
In fact some of the Palestinian suicide bombers were Christians.
and many were not religious in the strict sense, though they posed with the Quran in front of the Camera...

Any human, when he is put under enough amount of pressure and humiliation, he can turn into a bomb. regardless of his religion.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is about occupation, not about religion, converting the Palestinian struggle for independence into a religious war is very dangerous, because the conflict would spread and reach every Muslim no matter where he/she is.
And as consequence, we will have more "Palestinian wannabees" in Casa, Madrid etc...more extremist preachers etc

To me the answer is, to put pressure on Israel to dismantle its illegal settlements, by stopping the financial and military aid, and make the israeli leader ready for the birth of a separate Palestinian states(22% of the former Palestine), which can control it's waters and borders. and make israel used to the UN resolutions...
Jerusalem should remain under an international body composed of Muslims, Christians and Jews, since they all have a religious right there.

The Palestinians on the other hand, should sacrifice the idea that the millions of expelled Palestinians should return back to Israel. that would not be realistic because of obvious consequences...
In return israel should rebuild Palestine infrastructure and give financial compensations to the Palestinians as did Germany with the Jews .

...And, scrap it's WMD arsenal and programs.

Peace has a price !


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9:45 pm    March 26, 2004
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to adnane

you can disagree with whomever you want, it is your right.however let me clarify some things. iyyaka nassta3ine does not mean that God should solve our problems, that is unfortunately one of the causes of the failure of our nation today..this meaning was not for the muslim scholars that created the islamic civilization like avicena who was sleeping only four hours a day, working all day long and praying 2 rak3ate while he couldn't figure out a problem in biology. iyyaka nassta3ine means that we are in charge of every single tool (physical or non-physical) for us as human, it is given to us by God to use for the best of humanity.


PS: by the way one scholar has writen 4 volumes on iyaka na3bodo wa iyaka nassta3in and each volume is hundreds of pages!!

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9:20 pm    March 26, 2004

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I disagree with Amr Khaled, with all due respect to this motivational speaker. I believe that Fatiha is not a summary but rather the commencement just as the name suggests. It is merely a little prayer by the reader of the Quran asking God to let us see the light, figure out the right way of living this life, as we are about to read the Quran, perform a prayer, or accept Islam as our spiritual source in life. As a matter of fact, this is the second only prayer I believe in after asking God to bless my parents and familly. I think it is important to ask God to give us the ability to figure out the right way of doing things. It doesn't make sense to me to ask God to "solve" our problems. It is more satisfying and a great way of living to solve our own problems and make God see that we utilized his creation to its best. that we made an effort.

But then again, Fatiha by itself will not do nations any good. As a matter of fact, religion by itself may not do nations any good. I believe there is something more important which is the capability to distinguish religion from life. If we can master that we may progress. In my opinion, the goal of religion is to accentuate the process of crossing the bridge of life, from absolute emptiness to eternal existence. A process is not a substitue for success. A process is not a substitude for proper walking or running. A process is not a substitute for brilliant ideas. But it is good to have a process, rules of the game, a point of reference.

I may be wrong in my spiritual thinking, I'll be glad to hear your comments.

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8:40 pm    March 26, 2004
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This is a part of the speech of amrkhaled on life makers:

Ibn el-Qayem says that Allah has collected all the Holy Scripts in three books namely: the Torah, the Bible and the Qur?an. Then He gathered all three of them in the Qur?an, and then the Qur?an in Surat Al-Fatihah (The Opening), then Al-Fatihah in this particular verse. The whole religion of Islam has been summarized in this verse. Unfortunately we perform half of it only, that is we worship Allah but we do not make use of what He has subjugated for us.

PS: we may be doing the "Iyyaka Na3bod but not Iyyaka Nassta3ine!!"

www.amrkhaled.com go to languages and choose english.

:)

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6:56 pm    March 26, 2004

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Speaking of "Isaac Rabin", why the heck didn't the US pronounce his killer as a terrorist, and why the heck didn't they infact pronounce the movement he belonged to as a terrorist organization?

I say besides having pragmatic leadership on the palestinian side, and sympathetic leadership on the Israeli side, there is a greater need for a more JUST U.S of America.

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6:40 pm    March 26, 2004
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As they say: "It takes 2 to tango" without both parties nothing gonna happen (Israelis & Palestinians) ...and without good negotiators willing to offer a positive vision and willing to come up to compromises, i believe no effecient solution would ever happen.
There were too many possibilities that opened a scope for peaceful talks and peaceful solutions since Sadat and the resolutions that came after Oslo and Madrid and the palestinian negotiators seem just to be wanting anything and everything which seems that they were and they are still very greedy and they won't get anything except what they have right now. Since the wars of the70's and "Fath people" are just asking for all the pie and not the share of the pie (I say that sarcastically coz most of the land that was invaded by israeli's afterwards was sold willingly back in the 40's by palestinians themselves who are now in canada and UK and other parts of the world not even doing a damn thing about it), who is caring???: it's just a minority of villagers and poor people attached to their land and their agriculture etc..
I believe that Palestinians need a better pragmatic leaders and negotiators and Israeli's who are according to many reflect the "best democracy in the middle east" are not really democratic!! As long as Israel is ruled by army veterans or mossad generals there will be no good solution down there!! coz those people share the same strategy and the same destructive ideology!!!
Israeli's who suffered and were branded to death with the scars of Holocaust and Hitler's dictatorship....can't they think for a second that they are treating poor Palestinians in the same way!! can't they have some mercy for them!!
I Hope one day both: Israel would have a better prime minister and good politicians unlike the previous ones but somebody like "Isaac Rabin" who was willing to do something for both parties and on the other side of the negotiating table a Palestinian leadership that is not greedy but looking after their people and not their personal bank accounts, managing people and not their overseas businesses...
Hope is still there and without hope we can't see a better future...
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5:17 pm    March 26, 2004

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MB, when you have time try to read this short analysis from the BBC. It's a brief summary of the palestinian attacks and more. It's a starting point to learning about the circumstances and history of suicide attacks.

Suicide attacks in Israel by Palestinians remain the most controvertial issue in the conflict to date. Trying to condemn it is futile without giving a solid alternative. Raioosters discussed this issue a while ago, and I am yet to hear a good argument (see Why Do They Keep Blowing Up Themselves!? and Israel Strikes in Syria After Suicide Bombing ). For me, just the sound of "suicide" raises a red flag religiousely. I am not sure who adopted the word "suicide". was it the palestinians themselves, was it Israel, was it the world media? Has the battlefield of long time ago taken a different shape now? Do the rules of war defined by Islam a long time ago still apply in today's battlefield? Just what is God expecting the palestinians to do? The palestinian force is miniscule when faced with the mighty military force of Israel.. what can they do? one alternative is to give up. Another is to die, fighting with a sword, knife, bomb or gun. I believe that the palestinian people have so much on their mind, I sympathise with them, and I stopped judging them.

But at any rate, read the above analysis and let us know what you come up with.

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4:17 pm    March 26, 2004
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ewa a sidi baz...u have selective reading...am talking about terrorism in general....and again i hear u when u say that they are defending their land...etc but again killing innocent ppl is wrong.... i agree that violence in this case is used as a last resort ..again at the end it is wrong when innocent ppl are involved, are paying the price...

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3:43 pm    March 26, 2004
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Here is what we need:

Be Positive
Be Hopeful
Be Willing and Responsible
Plan Well ===============> GARANTEED SUCCESS.

YOU CAN USE THIS FOR GOOD OR EVIL, USE IT FOR THE GOOD

PEACE AND LOVE.

PS: check this site......Tlesson named : Together We Produce SUCCESS

http://www.amrkhaled.com

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2:39 pm    March 26, 2004
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Dear Jihad Buster,

Perhaps you need to review the rules of grammar and spelling yourself. Two spaces after a period. One space after a comma. ?Ad nauseam? is not spelled ?ad nauseuam.? No ?s? at the end of ?those.? ?There?re? is not an accepted contraction in Standard English. ?Some? takes a plural noun, hence ?gaps,? and not ?some gap,? as you wrote. And please, keep the language clean. This isn?t the Howard Stern show.

Perhaps you need to go back to school yourself. This is supposed to be a forum for debate, not personal attacks and insults.

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1:39 pm    March 26, 2004

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MB,
I know you said Arab Terrorists which makes it worst, you compared those who bombed madrid with Palestinians....
Palestinians are defending their land, their wealth their kids their Honor etc, what are these other terrorists doing?? bombing trains full of innocent people that didn`t do a thing to them?
This is what Israel wants, they want the whole world to condemn palestinians and put them in the same basquet as the other terrorists, thing that they succeeded on doing to a lot of our fellow Muslims/arabs.
Saying that Israel should not have killed Cheikh Yassine doesn`t add any thing here, yeah yeah yeah killing is killing , no body should kill any body, hadick lhadra rah kangoulouha 7eet 7naya machi in thier shoes.
If Yassine was a Terrorist then why did Allah grant him that way of dying?? most of you will say well that`s a bad way to die, but it is the best one can wish for, Prayed alfajr (at least he wakes up to alfajr and pray it in the mosque, while handicaped) it was Monday, he most likely was fasting, ALlah said that him who goes to the mosque and dies before to come back to his place ( fa9ad wa9a3a ajrouhou 3ala Allah) he is a chahid, died after praying alfajr, died on the same day the prophet(PBUH) was born and died...all this and Only ALLAH knows his ajr..., and you come now and say he was a terrorist waw sahla lhadra 3andna...yes i don`t think he is a terrorist and if you think i have Issues than i`d rather have issues than be without.

That Poem is wrriten by Nizar 9abbani, and those who are killed in israel are not innocent, the occupier is an Opresser.

Just tell me if some one invades your house kills your brothers humilates your parents and devides the house into 4 he takes 3 quarters and leave you one, and you can`t move without his permission, not even to go to the bathroom, you live in a prison, all this and the house is all yours, he is just an invader , has nothing to do with the house, tell me would you rather live like that? or fight back?? if you chose to live like that , then you chosed slavery. and you will live all your life as a slave, but if you fight back you will live with your dignity or die defending your right of living not as a slave.

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1:33 pm    March 26, 2004

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Well Antr, you replied to my posting that`s why it looked like you were telling me that...but to say my Opinion about that, i would say that yes i can see that it looks like it is ALLAH written there, however, mu3jizate come only on Prophets , so we can`t call those things mu3jizate, neither that nor the trees in tanzania that formes teh chahadah nor the kneeling(ruku3) tree towards the kaaba, nor the fish with ALLAH's name in it..., i forgot what they are called, but the reason behind them is to enforce the Faith of people and to show non Muslims that ALLAH exists ( wa sanourihim aayatina fil2afa9i wa fi anfoussihim) amma hadick dial Mohammed lkhamiss, hadakechi ghir tkharbii9 wsafi lli makayench....But this is not our Topic.
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12:27 pm    March 26, 2004

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Ahmed yassine. Is the Palestine state dream gone with the wind as yassine gone ungerground? are Palestinians better off without him? is Israel better off without him? Was he an authorative leader? who did he lead? how did he lead and where did he lead?

Are palestinians going to reach peace through bloody resistance, suicide attacks, and HAMAS?

Or, is there a better way to do things? can you think of any?

I hope these basic questions can be answered.

Some readings from the BBC:
Who are HAMAS?
Hamas faces future without Yassin
Show of strength before Gaza pullout
Analysis: Palestinian suicide attacks

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12:17 pm    March 26, 2004
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IF you resist therefore you exist said : sheikh yassin
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11:56 am    March 26, 2004

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I heard only about the face on Mars ...
a triangular alien face without Tarboush watani . :/
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11:46 am    March 26, 2004
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Baghi Tiqar,
This is so funny. I thought this portrait of Med V on the moon was just in my family. I grew up hearing that,even my mom beleived it, and i was always ......what the heck...? And now I hear its not just me who thought it was hilarious :)

Soussiya

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11:32 am    March 26, 2004
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This is what we call "EL Jahl" and stupidity, it was true" Al elmo noor wal jahlo aar"...it just remind me of Morocco when it was under french colony and Mohamed V was the supreme leader striving for independance. Some people they said when he died they saw his portrait covering the moon. What kind of stupidity is that!!
the funny part as i was a kid, I heard elderly people talk about it as if it was true 100%.The media in morocco (RTM) inflated it more than ever ---there was a movie about Istiqlal I can't remember the name (there was all the old veterans of TVM, Lemsharqui and El-joundi etc.)..and they showed a part of the movie when people looking on the moon and the portrait appeared of Mohamed V) ...wow wow..I mean the movie maker blow it that way by indoctrinating the same stupid idea of a miracalous pictures or symbols...
I am sorry ... but anyone who still believe in that just reinstate a status of "jahala" in his brain!!!
"Wa kol rabbi zidni elman"....anything of that kind in the media, pics or whatever u name it...with that miraculous theme and tone is just bogus!!! wake up people!!
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11:30 am    March 26, 2004
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depuis kand le coran te dis de ne pas aimer les juifs et de leurs faire confiance...de les tuer....et de ne pas faire la paix avec.....
tu dois avoir une autre version ...tu pourrais pas ns l envoyer la... j aime bien les nouveaute.....ou va le monde ...racism...fanatism...terrorism...???????????? faut ke le monde aille se faire soigner.....
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11:25 am    March 26, 2004
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nego....
calm toi ...i never said palestinians...i said shame on arab terrorists.....and i ll add shame on all terrorists in this world and whoever thinks that terror is the solution....who are u fooling....yes! i understand why they do that ...i hear u man...but hey that doesn t mean that killing ppl is right....( and i am not talking just about palestinians here...)...killing yassine is wrong....because i look at him as a human being first....but again come on he was a terrorist...( and if u think he wasn t then u have issues...)
and thank you for the History lesson ...and the ones who actually divided the country were the allies....after WW II...
u are saying that those palestinians have the right to be there because they were born there...well so were the jews ...they were born in Israel...u can t kick them out now ....
i can t believe u posted this poem....are u okay???????!!!!!! u are with terrorism...(or freedom fighters)...howhever u wanna call them ...that will not change the fact that they kill innocent ppl.....stop terror...and stop praising it.....
Sheikh Yassine was a terrorist...alah yerehmou et yeghfer lih denoub....
hehe...u are still looking for signs:).....u are really funny guys...amazing.....
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10:59 am    March 26, 2004
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salamo alaykom
hello guys
we are not talking about the real subject in here wich is as reminder the death of sheikh yassin and how isreal is taking the lead of doing what she wants ( killing , destroying occuping ,....) no matter what everybody else or the whole world said
and of course like usual
U.S is vetoing UN condemnation of its assassination of Hamas leader Shaikh Ahmad Yasin.
we should not agree whith what a moroccan jew said about the assasination because he living in morocco he is not going to agree in public with his homeland politics as alah talla said"??????????? ??????? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? "
dont you guys know the story of the jew neighboor of rassoul allah how he was treating rassoul allah salla allah alyhi wassalam"
??? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??????. ???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ????. ???? ?????? ?? ?????. ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ?????. "
and of course we shouldnt call somebody defending his own land a terrorist like some guy in here calling Palestinians terrorists.
this is my own opinion
i dont think any peace process with isreal will be successful because i dont think they will commit to their agreement, because of what our quran said about them and their stories with the prophetes


wa salam alykom

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10:53 am    March 26, 2004
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A sheep was born with a name Allah on it? Why not the name of Ckeikh Yassine on it?so we can know for sure it's about him.Muslims are amazing !not long ago Palestineans used to see the picture of Sadam on the moon,they thought he was their savior,I wonder if they still see it now since he's behind bars! It's seem that poor ignorant people are superstitious ,they just don't know how the real work.If God want to say something to somebody He uses F16,B52and tomahawk to deliver his message.
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10:33 am    March 26, 2004

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Because the palestinians are extremly weak under the tyranny of sharon, some of them start looking for miracles anywhere and everywhere...(Do3f wmay dir)
my critic was regading the photo itself, not the one who posted the link . (I dont even know who did it, nor do I care about that. :)
Ewa makayn bass n3amass ...
Ghir Rkhiw fikom nefss ya darawesh..:)

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9:55 am    March 26, 2004

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Adnane asked for the picture of the sheep with the name of ALLAh in it that was born the same day Cheikh Yassine was Killed, i gave him the link...
why the sarcasm in your message, map dial 67 wella dial sahra wana mali... i didn`t even say my opinion about that..
do3f wmaydir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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9:47 am    March 26, 2004

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I just gave you the link you asked about.
If it looks like it is ???? to you then good.
If it doesn`t also good.
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9:46 am    March 26, 2004

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What's printed on that sheep ? the Map of Palestine before 67 ? :/
I don't see any name of that baby's face either...
if you would stare at the clouds you could see all the possible patterns and figures of your choice...

"Do3f Wmay Dir ...! "

PS: L'miracle dial bessah, hiya la tahet shi ra3da 3la L'knesset wkhelat tayh ktar men naid ...!

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9:14 am    March 26, 2004

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What font is that? I just can't see why people turn this geometric pattern into name of Allah.
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8:41 am    March 26, 2004

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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We are accused of terrorism
if we defended land
and the honor of dust
if we revolted against the rape of people
and our rape
if we defended the last palm trees in our desert
the last stars in our sky
the last syllabi of our names
the last milk in our mothers' bossoms
if this was our sin
how beautiful is terrorism.

I am with terrorism
if it is able to save me
from the immigrants from Russia
Romania, Hungaria, and Poland

They settled in Palestine
set foot on our shoulders
to steal the minarets of al-Quds
and the door of Aqsa
to steal the arabesques
and the domes.

I am with terrorism
if it will free the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth,
and the virgin, Meriam Betula
and the holy city
from the ambassadors of death and desolation

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8:39 am    March 26, 2004

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Here is the picture you are asking about
http://vaneaph.free.fr/agneau.jpg
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8:35 am    March 26, 2004

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Abidou,
mtellef nwamer rah Adnane lli 36a hadack link, alors thank him...
MB,
First you called the Palestinians Terrorists, and then you go on saying that no one deserves terrorism.
Let`s just start by describing the Situation in Palestine and then you tell us if those palestinians are terrorists or not.

Palestine was for palestinians before 1947 Christians, Jews and Muslims living all together Happily no incidents nothing...they are cousins as Yasser arafat always says.
Then one people chosed to cheat, who are they? sionists/jews , they devided the country , colonised it and then started to negotiate about it, they gave Arabs(Christians and Muslims) 48% or the land and gave the Jews 52% of the land, while the jews were only around 20 % of the population....
In 1967 the arabs tried to liberate Palestine but Israel helped by Oncle Sam took more land than what they had plus southern lebanone, aljoulan, sinai..., then the egyptians liberated sinai...

The israelis kicked out a lot of palestinians from their homes and land...and brought settlers to live there.
they occupied the land stole farms cut olive and ornage trees destroyed homes and lands, devided families placed road blocks etc...
for a palestinian to go to school, instead of walking 5 Kms to get to school, he has to walk 50Kms now because the israelis built a settlement , and he has to go around it to get to his school, is that Fair? a pregnant woman has to give birth to her child on a Road block because the israelis won`t allow her to go through. a young kid sees his Mother asked by an Israli Soldier to dance in front of him so he can let her through the block, he sees his father forced by soldiers to kneel to them and kiss their feet so he can get through. you think we should blame that kid to go blow up himself in those soldiers when he grow up?
You think it is fair to take away a land from a man who was born there and has papers that proves that his ancestors own that land for over 400 years, and give it to some dude who just came from russia or america or france? if you ask them where is Jerusalem they can`t direct you to it.
ALL ISRAELIS who are 18 are not civilians , you have to go to the Military for 3 years if you are an israeli , women and men.
If you tell me what did a 4 year old girl who was killed in a bus by and Istichhadi, your answer is what is that girl doing there? do you think that istichhadi loves to kill kids? no he doesn`t but when you are forced to do something you just do it , you don`t care, you remember last year when israel wanted to kill one of the Hamas leaders they didn`t care about kids, they killed him and 9 other kids by a missile in the middle of the night, and guess what , they said well we didn`t know there were kids there, how wouldn`t you know there were kids when you bomb an 8 stories building?

Israelis have Tanks, Helicopters, the 4th Powerful army in the world, Palestinians have nothing not even our supporte , look how we talk about them(Terrorists) ALLAH said ( wa a3iddou lahoum massta6a3toum min 9ouattin..) whatever you can, they can`t have helicopters/tanks but they have their bodies they have some bombs, they are using them.
They chosed their way of resisting we have to respect it.

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8:15 am    March 26, 2004

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Hold on a second.. who said that? and where is the picture of this sheep.. I've heard many stories like this in the past decade or two and sometimes they're very idiotic. The story-tellers try to find a geometric pattern and twist their minds to relate it to something divine.. I looked at that Palestinian boy born with a mark on his face. They claim it is the name of his uncle martyr 3alaa. I honestly couldn't read the mark as 3alaa. I thought it was an idiotic manipulation, we should be stopping these, they don't add anything good. I am very skeptical.
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7:40 am    March 26, 2004
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I have to say ...i have nothing against any muslim leaders as long as they don't preach for suicide bombing and mass-killing of innocents or Jihad "yada yada".., But is he-Sheik Yassin- much important than the thousands of scapegoats and victims killed every week, kids and infants and women by the israeli army? Let's be realistic a little bit!
I am totally with the fact that Israel should not target any leadership or assasinate symbols of palestenians because it just make the whole issue getting worst than it is---although most of this leadership they are just bogus & sham from both sides (Sharon is a blood-thirsty killer with his kenesset, as he likes and enjoy seeing massacres occuring and Arafat he is just a looser, amassing money and struggling for nothing---he should retire).
What happened recently is an intentional action against any peace process which is very provocative and really hinders any development for good. It detriorates the situation more and more. But I am in the meantime against this suicide bombing revenge and retaliation coz it just make no sense to me and make things go no better at all.
It's not a solution. Islam never encouraged for such foolish acts and stupid movements that we see right now happening all over the globe ex.(Casablanca, Spain etc..).
I Hope that Israel renounce the idea of this assasinations, targeting symbols and civilians and stop this never-ending bloody war but go to the table make a fair deal resorting to political alternatives instead of bloodshed
Palestine should be for everyone: muslims, jews as well as christians, they have to co-exist and co-share wealth and power that's how I see it --I am not in the same page with what Kaddafi (the Sucker) imagined "Israe-stine"!!
It's frustrating...watching/ reading about this bullshit happenning every single day and whenever we say: "hey they came up with new copromises between the brothers-enemies (road map or whatever you name it)" something happens that would ruin everything and make every effort fade away. That's the straw that broke the camel's back as the proverb says...
P.S. I don't wanna be stormed with criticism by some nationalistic, "Jihadistic",patriotic messages about "kawmia arabia", or university forums (halkat) and all that crap....but that's just my humble view which is open for discussion of course...
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5:12 am    March 26, 2004

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It is sad to see the US blindly following Israel but this is the law of politics (Arabs and Muslims are absent as a political force in the uS). Thanks Nego for the link about sham3oun Levy.

The same day shaikh yassine was killed, a sheep was born in the West bank with ism Allah in it as a sign of divine presence especially when one knows the value of sheep in all religions.

wa fadaynahu bi dibhin 3adeem. sadaka allahu al 3adeem.

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11:45 pm    March 25, 2004
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Adnane boy,u don't sound like an intellectual to me.Look at your statements ,full of cliches ,wacky syntax and plenty of grammar mistakes.No original thought whatever,all what u're good is repeting ad nauseuam what others have said.
Something is wrong with your logic,I guess u just had a faulty education in thoses mediocre Moroccan unversities.No good,u need to be re-educated,there're some serious gap in your education Adnane boy. So don't act like u know it all,because you don't know shit,believe me.So long sucker.
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8:46 pm    March 25, 2004

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You don't make any sense to me, and you don't add anything intellectual to this discussion! You seem to confuse even yourself. Also you seem to be like those who get played easily by the wind, one day you're here, next day you're there, one day you're against Israeli attacks, next day you're patting Israel on its back. But then again you're entitled to your own opinion.

At any rate, I couldn't agree more with Levy Simon, head of jewish community in Morocco in this article:

Moroccan Jewish leader condemns killing
Wednesday 24 March 2004, 14:48 Makka Time, 11:48 GMT

A leader of Morocco's Jewish community has condemned what he describes as the "arrogant" killing by Israel of Hamas founder Shaikh Ahmad Yasin, calling it "an act of bestiality".

Simon Levy, secretary-general of Casablanca?s Jewish community, also accused the United States of "implicitly justifying" Yasin's assassination, in a statement on Wednesday.

"The assassination of Shaikh Yasin is an act of bestiality, but worse still is the incredible arrogance of [Israeli prime minister Ariel] Sharon who claimed responsibility for the crime in the name of the war against terrorism," said Levy.

"Is there any terrorism worse than state terrorism?" he asked.

Levy pointed out that Washington included the resistance group on a list of "terrorist" organisations.

"Is the organisation which killed [former Israeli prime minister Yitzhak] Rabin on the list?" asked Levy.

Morocco's Jewish community, which once numbered more than 200,000 people, now consists of about 4000 who live mainly in large cities such as Dar al-Baida (Casablanca).

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8:27 pm    March 25, 2004
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People die every day,so what so special about this cribled old dude full of hate. May he rest in pieces.
Isreal good job! well done! Even thought I'm not usually on the side of Isreal.But the Islamists terroristes are not only against Israel they're also attcking Isreal,they're also against Muslims who are moderates.
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10:37 pm    March 24, 2004
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http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3210,36-358270,0.html
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9:58 pm    March 24, 2004
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shame on them yes...shame on arab terrorists...and shame on you ...how can u say that they deserve it....ohhhh my goooood...no one deserves to die this way...no one deserves terrorism...what happened to us guys...? i feel bad for both sides....yes what sharon is doing is wrong but hey we shouldnt say that all israelis deserve to die..come on....that s a little too much...is it gonna get worse ? well obviously if someone who lives in lille thinks that all israelis deserve to die ...just think about what a guy who lives in palestine is gonna think...i think it is not gonna end...not gonna get worse...what would be worse than bombs everyday and kamikazes in buses and restaurants?? can t imagine it...an ethnic cleansing? well isn t it what s happening already??...pffff well houma at least they have a reason...what reason do other ppl who go and blow up trains have????....lah ye7fed ou safi....
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9:58 pm    March 24, 2004
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shame on them yes...shame on arab terrorists...and shame on you ...how can u say that they deserve it....ohhhh my goooood...no one deserves to die this way...no one deserves terrorism...what happened to us guys...? i feel bad for both sides....yes what sharon is doing is wrong but hey we shouldnt say that all israelis deserve to die..come on....that s a little too much...is it gonna get worse ? well obviously if someone who lives in lille thinks that all israelis deserve to die ...just think about what a guy who lives in palestine is gonna think...i think it is not gonna end...not gonna get worse...what would be worse than bombs everyday and kamikazes in buses and restaurants?? can t imagine it...an ethnic cleansing? well isn t it what s happening already??...pffff well houma at least they have a reason...what reason do other ppl who go and blow up trains have????....lah ye7fed ou safi....
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1:12 am    March 24, 2004
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I think it was a big mistake from Israel. Now there will be more and more terrorisme just because of that. and I think they deserve It.
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8:50 pm    March 23, 2004
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here is article by jaffer ali published at web site http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
article number 5932
Enough is enough

by Jaffer Ali

03/23/04 "ICH" -- How long will the US allow Israel to violate international law? How long will America prop up the failed experiment known as Zionism?

How long will Israel be allowed to create its own rules? murdering and maiming children in the name of self defense? Over 1000 children have been killed by Israel since the second uprising against its illegal occupation began. Israel's weapon of choice is not a suicide belt, but an Apache helicopter powered by missiles; all supplied by Uncle Sam.

Enough is enough.

Many who are reading this have a rose-colored view of Israel and therefore a distorted view of Palestinians. Most of the readers actually believe Israel is a democracy. It is no more a democracy than South Africa during apartheid.

How long will the world sit idly by while Israel claims in the name of "self defense" an unlimited capacity to inflict unmentionable human suffering?

How long will the Arab people allow their leadership to represent interests in opposition to their own people? On Friday (3/19/04), King Abdullah of Jordan visited Ariel Sharon. The meeting was supposed to be secret. It was there that the King was told of Sharon's plan to assassinate Yassin. King Abdullah never knew that Sharon planned to leak the "secret" visit. The leak was made to embarrass this boy king who has not yet learned the game of power.

Is it the case that Sharon leaked Abdullah's visit to destabilize Jordan while laying the groundwork for Yassin's assassination? Sharon wants to destabilize the region to "save" Israel. In a destabilized Middle East, the fog of war might allow Sharon to expel Palestinians from their homeland. He full well knows that the assassination will not go unanswered. Israel is desperate and this is certain to create chaos.

Enough is enough.

One can smell Israeli desperation. Why else would a 67-year- old, quadriplegic who was nearly blind be such a threat that Israelis would kill him without benefit of a trial? Is this democracy in action? Is this the standard for democracies in the Middle East that the US wishes to set up?

What made Sheik Ahmed Yassin such a threat? I can tell you in a sentence. Yassin embodied an idea. That idea was an end to Zionism as a political ideology. Zionism is the notion that a state should be defined by religion or ethnic designations. Yassin made flesh the idea that Zionism was a moral outrage?and since Israel could not eradicate the idea, they settled for eradicating his flesh.

But the idea remains. And let me state it clearly for all to read and hear. Zionism is an evil ideology that INHERENTLY corrupts its followers. Yassin did not invent the idea for which he was assassinated, he merely personified it. Apache helicopters cannot eradicate this idea. Missiles, "Made in the USA" cannot destroy this idea.

Enough is enough.

There are many people that shrink in timidity when discussing Zionism as the root cause of the Middle East
problems. One Arab-American writer told me it was an "unwritten rule" that one could never get published in US papers if Zionism was mentioned. Israel executes people without benefit of trial, labels themselves a democracy, and yet writers are not "allowed" to tell the truth regarding what inevitably is the ultimate cause of THE problem?

When stating clearly that one-person, one-vote is the only solution that will survive becomes off limits in discussion, Orwellian rhetoric triumphs over reality. Make no mistake about it, the world knows that every US president has blood on his hands?from Truman to Bush "43". Why?

Israel could not survive as a garrison state without the active and behind-the-scenes support of the US. This support threatens US interests more than any other alliance in the world. A rational foreign policy that is not beholden to oil companies, not beholden to financial interests, not beholden to a cadre of pro-Zionist elements inside Washington is needed to move beyond the morally and culturally bankrupt ideology that designates preferential treatment of one category of man over another.

Enough is enough.

Jaffer Ali has been writing on the Middle East for over 20 yearst. He is also the author of the recently published book- Palestine & The Middle East: A Chronicle of Passion and Politics

Copyright: Jaffer Ali


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Moroccan Candle-toe Dance..
Moroccan Qassida: Vraie Poesie!..
LA3MARNA Legacy..
Chilling Like a Mqedem in Morocco..
Alone in the Wilderness..
Are Iranians and Americans Blowing it Up?..
Are we a virus..?..
How come Morocco is silent to Dalfour, Sudan?..
Barreling Towards an Iraqi Civil War..
Pomme and Kelly ..
Intelligent Design and Evolution in not so American lands..
The Prophets animated by Steve Whitehouse..
More with Claudio Bravo..
Muslim Texans..
Hajj Stampede Gone Ugly!..
Self-portraits 001-002..
Why Faith?..
Online 7awli Souk!..
2006 !..
 
2005
Derbouka Bled Attack..
Adopted HIV kids from Romania..
Operation Mapping Raioo Love!..
They burnt themselves.. Come'on!..
My Winamp Skin: The New Beetle..
The Forbidden Zone film that electrified me!..
Cousins skyblogging..
Chilean artist in Morocco..
Moroccan Blue tops colors!..
Osama in FAMILY GUY..
Baraka Art..
Itsy Bitsy knowledge..
The most misunderstood [and growing..] world religion, Islam..
Moroccan Christians..
Polygamy in USA..
Architecturing to joy!..
This Moorish cult in America..
The Magnificient King Vulture..
Al-Rashid and the Fart..
On the subject of Evil Eye..
Anecdote on Life and 3ibada..
Anecdote on Giving in Time of Need..
T-shirt design: L'Amoureux!..
Craig Thompson art..
The Real Origin of Smileys :)..
T-shirt design: Happy Sailor!..
T-shirt design: threadless in Kufi..
T-shirt design: Magic e-lamp..
My August '05 T-shirt Designs ..
Your Living Space..
The Raioo Story: 2. in the garden..
The Raioo Story: 1. intro..
Arabic Beat and Instrument Music Wanted!..
 
2004
RA?NA RAI Legacy..
Algerian Chaabi..
Nour L'Koufi (Gharnati)..
Hidalgo in Morocco..
Le Secret d'Elissa Rhais..
Imam Shafii. Soni N'nafssa..
Feqqas (Moroccan Biscuiti)..
Casablanca Connect..
 
2003
ZEBDA! Un Groupe Genial!..
Al Moutanabbi. Idha Ghamarta..
Imam Shafii. sa'fir tajid 3iwada..
boston.food.Tangierino..
Long Distance Honey ..
The Working Wife and Husband..
The Hammam Public Bath: Do you still go there?..
Hip Hop Classic Favorites!..
Down With Love..
Lord Of The Rings..
How To create a Moroccan remix of a video clip ? ..
 
2002
Why we don't eat Porc?..
Do You Play Music?..
Hidoura: Your Moroccan Natural Carpet..
Khaddouj Slam-dunking From Marrakesh To New York..


FAVORITES
Hmida Rass Lmida à L'Avare de Molière!
Moroccan City Names
Shining ability is a gift...
Halloween SPECIAL 2007: La Mort D'une Souri!
Cheikha Rimitti: 83 Years of Life...
Why do we pray ?
short ones
ABSOLUTE RAIOO Summer 2007 Rai vol.2
Cheba Zohra & Mahadattes de Rilizane
Close Encounters of the Moroccan Kind!
Biyouna
Another attempt at writing. Will this language ever feel natural?
North Africa Journal
Moroccan Tattoos
From Los Angeles to Casablanca!
Amina Alaoui Lyrics
Dr. Hassan Al-Turabi
Vulgarity as revolution: Lemsakh we tsalguit
Les Oiseaux De Figuig!
ghir bessyas a moulay!
QURAN FLASH
Moroccan Playing Cards Game ronda v1.0
A Call From Algeria to Help Suffering Little Boy Mounib!
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