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Adnane Ben.
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Become Who You Are ~ Nietzsche
10:28:15 PM Saturday May 16, 2009


I've always heard of Friedrich Nietzsche, one of the great German philosophers, however I never tried to dive into his thoughts. While having a lunch conversation with a colleague of mine this past week, he quoted Nietzsche as he said "Become who you are", Deviens ce que tu es. I got so intrigued by these words. I searched, and one of the preliminary finds was a brief explanation by an anonymous poster on some blog out there. I'm quoting him or her below attempting to explain what Nietzsche meant. These words are as deep as the subject quote itself.

"Unlearn false modes of thinking based on rote "learning"; break out of past conditioning & self-deception.

Without socialization there is no society. But an unavoidable side-effect is how much of your primordial essence is destroyed by this process.

In reaction--some would say overreaction--Nietzsche was single-minded in his focus on the individual. A reaction which may have been necessary: to counter the ascendancy of the Industrial age, populated with loyal workers for the assembly lines.

You have forgotten your true self. Be prepared to reject much of what you were told is true."


What do you think Nietzsche meant? How do you explain Nietzsche's quote? Have you found yourself sometime applying Nietzsche's quote?



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5:59 pm    July 5, 2009

Mehdi message
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Começo a conhecer-me. Não existo.

Começo a conhecer-me. Não existo.

Começo a conhecer-me. Não existo.
Sou o intervalo entre o que desejo ser e os outros me fizeram,
ou metade desse intervalo, porque também há vida ...
Sou isso, enfim ...
Apague a luz, feche a porta e deixe de ter barulhos de chinelos no corredor.
Fique eu no quarto só com o grande sossego de mim mesmo.
É um universo barato.

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5:56 pm    July 5, 2009

Mehdi message
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There is a portuguese poet called: Fernando Pessoa who said in one of his writes:

I start knowinh who i am! I DON'T EXIST.
I'm the interval between what i wanted to be and what people wanted me to be.
Not even this interval, just the half of it, 'cause life exists!

I'll look for it in portuguese and post it.
I think my translation is not good enough.

There is a book written by Nietzsch where we can see his complete work:
Also sprach Zarathustra. Ein Buch für Alle und Keinen

I think that Nietzsch had a sort of ambiguity with the concept of nihilism, he proposes to the human to sink in the cosmos, find his eternal divinity and become then Dionisos.[...]


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12:17 pm    May 20, 2009

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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I am glad that you believe in God (designer and creator)...
How you interact with him, remains your business... ;)
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2:38 am    May 20, 2009

moha ouhmou message
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Interesting answer, I should say.

“Astaghfirollah Sba7 hada...”

If we have the ability to ask questions that means it was part of the design.

Fear of asking questions or answering questions is induced by humans into humans as a means of control. It is humans (not God) who teach other humans to fear and submit as opposed to be free and love.

I don’t fear God. I love God. There is no fear in True Love. And that takes us back to the statement “become who you are”.

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1:47 am    May 20, 2009

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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A flower sends ultraviolet signals to the bees, in the shape of a runway track so that it could land on it. Why should nature teach the flower such a smart process in order to spread its pollens ? who cares ??

Why should survival be nature's first priority, if “she” is not programmed herself ?

Keep it simple...:) Believe that there is a super intelligent being behind this complexity, and when you meet him-it-her (if you are lucky), then ask him how he did gain power, and what's the whole movie is all about...

Astaghfirollah Sba7 hada...

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7:47 pm    May 19, 2009

moha ouhmou message
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"Supposedly only people with strong intents, like prophets, are powerful enough to manifest what they think about individually (miracles), without the need of a critical mass intent from a group."

You mean like when Moses split the sea or when Jesus walked on water?

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7:22 pm    May 19, 2009

moha ouhmou message
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"Materialism is an illusion created by our limited perceptions, what we observe at the macro scale is a mere interpretation by our Mamalian brain, limited by its poor 5 sense, designed to help us survive, mainly..."

Ok, Antr,
based on your statement it is safe to say that whatever you observe at the macro scale is a mere interpretation of your brain, limited by its 5 senses.

Could you please explain how you got to the conclusion that your brain was "designed". Because that implies the existence of a designer behind the "design".

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2:12 pm    May 19, 2009

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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Materialism is an illusion created by our limited perceptions, what we observe at the macro scale is a mere interpretation by our Mamalian brain, limited by its poor 5 sense, designed to help us survive, mainly...

Modern physics states that at the deepest part of the sub-atomic particles, there is no matter, no space nor time...just a field of vibrating energy (strings) which create infinite possibilities...A “ground zero” world from which our reality is constructed.

It is our attention which determines the outcome ! (reference to the experience where light behaves as a particle when under observation, and as a wave when it is not observed...)
John Hagelin and many others admit that the universe as we know it, is just one possible “output” caused by our collective intention, resulting in the manifestation of what we expect to witness and experience...Supposedly only people with strong intents, like prophets, are powerful enough to manifest what they think about individually (miracles), without the need of a critical mass intent from a group.

He continues that whatever you can think of, is already created, Quantum physics states that all possible events can be played out, just by you focusing on them.
In other words, if I imagine Adnane wearing a Peruvian Taguia and boots of Kingi-Khan while chilling by the beach and enjoying a Dinosaur meat Kebab, does that such Adnane exists ? According to Quantum physics, the answer is YES he does ! but not here.. The Universe is infinite, and every possible outcome of an event exists in it's own universe.

If it is true that there is an infinity of universes (Multi-verse as some call it) , then where would the equation of Materialism fit in ?

Oh, well ...sometimes I just just drink straight from berrad and tell myself :
“What the heck do you know...?!!” glu-glu

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2:09 pm    May 19, 2009

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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Materialism is an illusion created by our limited perceptions, what we observe at the macro scale is a mere interpretation by our Mamalian brain, limited by its poor 5 sense, designed to help us survive, mainly...

Modern physics states that at the deepest part of the sub-atomic particles, there is no matter, no space nor time...just a field of vibrating energy (strings) which create infinite possibilities...A “ground zero” world from which our reality is constructed.

It is our attention which determines the outcome ! (reference to the experience where light behaves as a particle when under observation, and as a wave when it is not observed...)
John Hagelin and many others admit that the universe as we know it, is just one possible “output” caused by our collective intention, resulting in the manifestation of what we expect to witness and experience...Supposedly only people with strong intents, like prophets, are powerful enough to manifest what they think about individually (miracles), without the need of a critical mass intent from a group.

He continues that whatever you can think of, is already created, Quantum physics states that all possible events can be played out, just by you focusing on them.
In other words, if I imagine Adnane wearing a Peruvian Taguia and boots of Kingi-Khan while chilling by the beach and enjoying a Dinosaur meat Kebab, does that such Adnane exists ? According to Quantum physics, the answer is YES he does ! but not here.. The Universe is infinite, and every possible outcome of an event exists in it's own universe.

If it is true that there is an infinity of universes (Multi-verse as some call it) , then where would the equation of Materialism fit in ?

Oh, well ...sometimes I just just drink straight from berrad and tell myself :
“What the heck do you know...?!!” glu-glu

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8:18 pm    May 18, 2009

Adnane Ben. message
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Right, there is no proof yet of the existence of God based on the scientific method. We have to be able to scientifically measure what we're trying to prove. Perhaps in this case, God, if exists, is not scientifically measurable. Maybe not with our science. Maybe our science is still young and primitive. We still cannot decipher exactly how our brain works.

How would one gather empirical evidence? conduct the experimentation and the testing of the hypotheses? It's though. Probably the only people who came close to the empirical observation are the prophets, and even among the prophets only a few that were narrated in the Quran came close: Adam, Ibrahim, Moussa, Issa and Mohammed. The interesting thing to me is that, at least, they tried to pass us the data they gathered. So do we have a burden to first filter out if the data is true or fraudulent? and then continue the scientific method?

I leave it to the adventurous passionate scientist. I know that Imam Ghazali tried, he got so confused, lost his faith in secret, and eventually his faith got restored through a non-scientific process he couldn't put fingers on or document other than describe it as "inshira7ou assadr". Sartre tried, but he never came to a good answer. Someone asked Sartre once a question what he thinks about when someone states that he believes in God and that it represnts the way a man leads his life? he said "At present .. there is no intuition of the divine. I think that nowadays the notion of God is already dated. They have a vision of the world that belongs to a past age"

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6:55 pm    May 18, 2009

moha ouhmou message
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Klempner outlined different philosophical approaches to the issue. These arguments are based on reasoning but none brings any hard evidence.

When I wrote "Neither the existence of God nor the nonresistance of God can be proven" I meant proven through scientific method. Science at this point is unable to prove anything that would support either case.

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8:31 pm    May 17, 2009

Adnane Ben. message
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This is an old statement I found a while ago and bookmarked it because I thought it was 1) interesting, and that 2) I could use it as a reference for future dives and thought exercises.

"How can some philosophers prove that God doesn't exist?
Can you prove that God exists or can't we prove it?

It is harder to prove that God doesn't exist than it is to prove that God does exist. One argument for the non-existence of God is the 'Problem of Evil'. God is all-powerful, all-good and all-knowing by definition. God therefore has the power to eradicate all evil. Being all-good he wants to eradicate all evil, and being all-knowing no evil can escape his attention. Yet there IS evil in the world. Therefore 'God', as defined, does not exist. There are a number of loopholes in this argument, however.

There are three main types of argument for the existence of God. The teleological argument says that the universe has order and design, therefore it must have been the work of a 'Great Designer'. The cosmological argument says that every event has a cause, therefore following back the chain of causes and effects, there must have been a 'First Cause'. The ontological argument says that it is part of the definition of God to be 'Perfect'. But non-existence is an imperfection. Therefore God must exist.

All three arguments were criticised by the philosopher Immanuel Kant in his book 'Critique of Pure Reason' (1781), though he liked the teleological argument the best. There are still philosophers today who think that a good case can be made for the existence of God. Richard Swinburne, for example.

Geoffrey Klempner"

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7:10 pm    May 17, 2009

moha ouhmou message
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Let me put it this way...

An atheist can't laugh at a religious person. And a religious person can't laugh at an atheist - for both are the 2 sides of the same coin.

Neither the existence of God nor the nonresistance of God can be proven.

You either choose to believe or choose to not believe. That's all.

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11:58 am    May 17, 2009

Adnane Ben. message
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Interesting note about Nietzsche's challenge to God, calling him immoral because of the death and catastrophes. Did he mean the natural catastrophes? or human wars? usually that is the biggest beef atheists have with God. An Atheist I spoke to gave up on religion and God because he couldn't understand why God would allow innocents to die or be born with disabilities if he were all compassionate. What is the Muslim view on that?
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5:07 am    May 17, 2009

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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I remember when I was 15, and by accident I bought an old book of Nietzsche from joutia just because it had a signature on it from 1933. (supposedly a gift)

The most intriguing part was when Nietzsche believe that the universe runs in repetitive cycles : according to him, Everything that has ever happened, that is happening, that will happen will re-occur during the next cycle... BigBang or what ever... ...I remember in one part he said “ Nietzsche will come back, and you who is reading this book, will do it again at this exact same time...so see you then !" Supposedly you guys are reading these lines on raioo.com because you have done it in the previous cycle and will do it in the next one...and you don't remember Antr writing this because nobody can remember an event that is 100% identical to an other...so ...what are your plan for tomorrow ? :) Make the best of it, because you will do it during the next May 17th 2009... (:p

All of the above is fine to live with, the part that I found mishmashy is when Nietzsche started challenging God, by calling him immoral since he causes death and catastrophes...that's how he became an atheist with "God is dead" as a slogan, and started to believe in the “superman”; you can achieve what you put your mind into.
To Nietzsche there was no such a thing as religious Value or Morality...The survival of the fittest was more important, and the end justifies the means...Adolf Hitler was one of his fans...Nietzsche became insane shortly before his death...


Salamz

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The Raioo Story: 2. in the garden..
The Raioo Story: 1. intro..
Arabic Beat and Instrument Music Wanted!..
 
2004
RA?NA RAI Legacy..
Algerian Chaabi..
Nour L'Koufi (Gharnati)..
Hidalgo in Morocco..
Le Secret d'Elissa Rhais..
Imam Shafii. Soni N'nafssa..
Feqqas (Moroccan Biscuiti)..
Casablanca Connect..
 
2003
ZEBDA! Un Groupe Genial!..
Al Moutanabbi. Idha Ghamarta..
Imam Shafii. sa'fir tajid 3iwada..
boston.food.Tangierino..
Long Distance Honey ..
The Working Wife and Husband..
The Hammam Public Bath: Do you still go there?..
Hip Hop Classic Favorites!..
Down With Love..
Lord Of The Rings..
How To create a Moroccan remix of a video clip ? ..
 
2002
Why we don't eat Porc?..
Do You Play Music?..
Hidoura: Your Moroccan Natural Carpet..
Khaddouj Slam-dunking From Marrakesh To New York..


FAVORITES
Hmida Rass Lmida à L'Avare de Molière!
Moroccan City Names
Shining ability is a gift...
Halloween SPECIAL 2007: La Mort D'une Souri!
Cheikha Rimitti: 83 Years of Life...
Why do we pray ?
short ones
ABSOLUTE RAIOO Summer 2007 Rai vol.2
Cheba Zohra & Mahadattes de Rilizane
Close Encounters of the Moroccan Kind!
Biyouna
Another attempt at writing. Will this language ever feel natural?
North Africa Journal
Moroccan Tattoos
From Los Angeles to Casablanca!
Amina Alaoui Lyrics
Dr. Hassan Al-Turabi
Vulgarity as revolution: Lemsakh we tsalguit
Les Oiseaux De Figuig!
ghir bessyas a moulay!
QURAN FLASH
Moroccan Playing Cards Game ronda v1.0
A Call From Algeria to Help Suffering Little Boy Mounib!
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