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Coupe d'Afrique des Nations 2004
12:00:00 AM Tuesday Jan 27, 2004




In light of CAN 2004 (Coupe d'Afrique des Nations) I was thinking maybe we should keep this subject as a window for all Moroccans who can or can't watch the African Cup. We'll talk about the scores, circumstances of games, expectations, especially those of ATLAS LIONS, our Moroccan team.

Groupe A: Tunisie, Rwanda, RD Congo, Guin?e

Groupe B: S?n?gal, Burkina Faso, Kenya, Mali

Groupe C: Cameroun, Alg?rie, Zimbabwe, Egypte

Groupe D: Nigeria, Maroc, Afrique du Sud, B?nin

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6:51 am    December 7, 2007
amira
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hi every one i just wanna let u know that im new in this site,i don't really know how it works.if it's like chating web site or u just leave comments.in case it's only for comment s where can i find the response 2 my comments.thx :)
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9:56 am    October 22, 2007
soufiane al marrag
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yo soy de marruecos yo juego al futbol en el espa�a tengo 15 a�os y megosta mucho jugar con selecsion de marruecos me numero de tel�fono 661338274
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2:30 am    September 6, 2006
rif inow
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awa lmaghrib ifoka awa , adone ad kawden , wij zijn niet marrokans , daba braw ichabro fina , hahaha vlekker op
nekni imazighen , olhamdollah nfardite tamane ikmawen none , tfo a sahbi les marocain , lkhanz dyalhome wasel lkamar , meme si cest des ministre awela chi colonel walo ra chfara , wa siro thawaw ,hna machi mrooke hahahaha
t3ich a rif dyali , vive tittawen , lief voor titwane ,kastiego , ayayay
Rotterdam
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4:28 am    April 3, 2006
bastof
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baby of course i agree with . they talk about some thing which is not important
so i wish for them to think about some problems like that was happened in elhoceima and other region like sud-est i wish that no one shoud remain in life all of us will die os they is fact
thiks
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10:33 am    February 10, 2006
Jean-Claude
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Comment se fait-il que les arbitres africains soient si cons, si malhonn?tes, si ridicules? Contre la m?me Egypte les S?negalais ont ?t? priv?s d'un penalty ?vident; et aujourd'hui on accorde aux Pharaons un penalty tr?s discutable. Faudrait-il recruter des arbitres europ?ens pour des matchs sensibles comme ceux de la finale et de la d?mi-finale? Il est triste de constater que l'Afrique est sous-d?velopp?e en tout... La politique autant que le sport, tout est foutu...
Veuiller me passer ce message ? cet arbitre apr?s ce match. Il est ridicule.

Jean-Claude Tansia, Congolais r?sidant au Canada

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2:28 am    January 13, 2006
yaya
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2:01 am    November 1, 2005
azzadibne
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ik graag sport bij julli dan wil julli ok dankwel
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12:51 am    October 15, 2005
kaki
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4:20 am    January 14, 2005
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12:11 pm    February 26, 2004
Jamal
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Les Palestiniens veulent r?cup?rer leur argent "vol?" par Tsahal
LEMONDE.FR | 26.02.04 | 19h23
Les Palestiniens exigeaient jeudi la restitution de millions de dollars saisis mercredi lors d'une op?ration militaire isra?lienne ? Ramallah pour mettre la main, selon les Isra?liens, sur des fonds servant ? financer le terrorisme.
Le pr?sident de la banque centrale palestinienne a accus? Isra?l, jeudi 26 f?vrier, d'avoir commis un v?ritable vol ? main arm?e apr?s la saisie de 8 millions de dollars par l'arm?e isra?lienne dans des ?tablissements bancaires de Ramallah, ville de Cisjordanie abritant le QG de Yasser Arafat.

Les services de s?curit? isra?liens avaient indiqu? mercredi que la descente effectu?e dans quatre banques ?tait destin?e ? vider les comptes utilis?s par des groupes de militants palestiniens pour financer l'organisation d'attentats-suicides et d'autres attaques contre des Isra?liens. Un responsable, parlant sous le couvert de l'anonymat, avait affirm? mercredi que ces fonds ?taient destin?s ? "alimenter des actions terroristes" et provenaient notamment de l'Iran et du Hezbollah chiite libanais.

"Cela est sans fondement et inexact", a r?pliqu? au cours d'une interview Amin Hadad, pr?sident de l'Agence mon?taire palestinienne (banque centrale). "Ce qui s'est produit hier n'est rien moins qu'un vol ? main arm?e, en plein jour, brutal, injustifi? et sans fondement commis par l'arm?e isra?lienne dans deux banques jordaniennes travaillant en Palestine ainsi qu'? l'Arab Bank et ? la Cairo Amman Bank", a-t-il d?clar?.

Le ministre palestinien des finances, Salam Fayyas, dont les efforts pour assainir les finances de l'Autorit? palestinienne ont ?t? salu?s par la communaut? internationale, a qualifi? cette descente bancaire de nouveau coup dur pour une ?conomie palestinienne d?j? paralys?e par les repr?sailles de l'arm?e isra?lienne.

"ACTES DE PIRATERIE"

Les Palestiniens exigeaient jeudi la restitution des millions de dollars saisis. "Les actes de piraterie et les agressions contre les banques et le secret bancaire sont des actes graves qui visent ? d?truire l'Autorit? palestinienne", a fulmin? le premier ministre palestinien, Ahmed Qore?, ? l'issue d'une rencontre ? Ramallah avec des directeurs de banque. Assurant que l'Autorit? palestinienne restait engag?e ? "prot?ger l'argent des hommes d'affaires et des individus" d?pos? dans les banques, il a appel? Isra?l ? restituer les fonds saisis lors de l'op?ration spectaculaire de la veille. "Il s'agit d'argent vol? qui doit ?tre restitu?, a-t-il insist?. Isra?l n'a aucun droit de disposer de l'argent d'autrui".

Le ministre isra?lien de la d?fense, Shaoul Mofaz, a promis que les sommes confisqu?es seraient "allou?es ? des actions humanitaires" en faveur de la population palestinienne.

Dans les agences bancaires vis?es par le raid, le personnel s'employait jeudi ? rassurer les clients. Les standards t?l?phoniques ont ?t? inond?s d'appels. "Les clients n'ont pas ? s'inqui?ter pour leurs comptes", affirme Samir Jasser, directeur adjoint d'une des deux succursales de l'Arab Bank dans lesquelles les soldats ont fait irruption mercredi. Selon le pr?sident de l'Agence mon?taire palestinienne, les comptes des clients "n'ont pas ?t? affect?s", les soldats ayant directement confisqu? l'argent des caisses des banques, car il leur est impossible de "retirer" des sommes des comptes qui ne leur appartiennent pas.

"CR?ER LE CHAOS"

"Ce que veulent les Isra?liens, c'est cr?er le chaos. (Les Palestiniens) doutent (de leur syst?me bancaire), ils se posent beaucoup de questions", a ajout? M. Hadad. Il a ajout? que les raids violent l'accord conclu en 2003 entre Isra?l, les Etats-Unis et les Palestiniens, aux termes duquel Isra?l doit formuler une demande aupr?s de l'Autorit? palestinienne ou de l'administration am?ricaine avant de conduire une enqu?te sur des comptes bancaires ouverts en territoires palestiniens.

"De mani?re tout ? fait ?vidente, ce que (les Isra?liens) ont fait n'a rien ? voir avec une activit? terroriste. Si vous enqu?tez sur un compte, vous en suivez les mouvements. Cela n'a ?t? fait pour aucun des comptes en question" a ajout? M. Hadad.

La direction ? Ramallah de la Cairo Amman Bank, une banque jordanienne, a pour sa part affirm? que l'arm?e isra?lienne avait confisqu?, en shekels et en devises, l'?quivalent de 460 526 dollars. Le directeur de la banque ? Amman, Yazid Al-Moufti, a de son c?t? affirm? qu'Isra?l avait saisi 670 000 dollars de la succursale de Ramallah.

Qualifiant l'op?ration isra?lienne sans pr?c?dent de "hold-up", le directeur r?gional de la banque dans les territoires palestiniens, Bichara Dabah, a affirm? que celle-ci allait assumer ses responsabilit?s financi?res vis-?-vis de ses clients. Selon lui, les soldats qui avaient envahi la banque avaient demand? des relev?s de comptes de 56 personnes, dont "8 ne disposent pas de compte chez nous". "Les comptes appartiennent ? des individus et ? des organisations de charit? et non pas ? des terroristes comme pr?tend Isra?l", a-t-il affirm? en qualifiant l'incursion isra?lienne d'"agression contre la Jordanie".

Quelque 22 banques palestiniennes, jordaniennes, ?gyptiennes et occidentales op?rent dans les territoires palestiniens.

Avec AFP et Reuters


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8:38 am    February 26, 2004
sara
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salam,

Please if anyone thinks that he/she can help me, please e-mail me a.s.a.p. I am runnig out of time and I beleive in you guys, I know that some Morrocan can do something about it. I realy want to stay here in the states in order to finish my school, and you are the only ones who can help me. so please email me. you won't regret it.

think about it and let me loose everything.

this is my email: sara_benmoussa@hotmail.com

thank you, and God bless you all.

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7:34 am    February 26, 2004

Yaz Lagouzi (Negotiator) message
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No The Friendly Game against The USA ws cancelled, instead the US will play Poland...

Sur la radio du maroc , apr?s lhayat riyadia, l'envoy? sp?cila a lhossaima, a dit :
un jeune homme de 36 a 37, est parti de casa vers oujda , par avion, puis il a pris un taxi vers un village pr?s de Imzouren, d?s son arriv?, il a contact? les responsables de ce village pour leur dire : je suis volontier , j'ai de l'argent , je suis tous seul, si vous voulez me lister tous vos besoins, en fourniture ( mange , etc ), puis il a pris un camion , avec qlq personne , pour le remplir de lhossaima.

ca ma vraiment fait pleurer wallah... , ch7al dial nass 3andhoum leflouss felmaghrib, y9edrou ydirou hadechi, 3lach makaydeirouhch!!!!???? wach makanfekrouch bi2annahou yemken nkounou 7naya feblassthoum?? demain wella ba3dou tji noubtna ta7na!!!?????
I remember in CAN 98 , Youssef chipo f burkina fasso, chrra le7ssayer lwa7ed jame3 temma makanch fiih 3lach ysselliw, i was thinkning, 3lach le33abba dial lmuntakhab lli khdaw 100 Million meghribia, maydirouch chi 7aja wey3awnou??? tnazlou 3la hadouk les primes, ghir dial le roi, bla hadouk les primes dial ljami3a!!!!!
D`abord GNF1 et 2 radi ye36iw leflouss lli radi ydakhlou f les matchs dial lbou6oula had l week-end pour les victimes...geste meziane...

Allah y7enn 3lina wsafi...

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5:38 am    February 26, 2004
jawad
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yes that's true. our national team is playing against the US team on March 31, 2004.
(www.menara.ma)

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(25/2/2004)
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11:12 pm    February 25, 2004
Djtomek
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hey what s up fellows
i ve heard in medi1 that morocco is playing usa sometimes this year
did anybody hear about it?
please anybody knows the location and date share it with us
thankx in advance
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2:13 pm    February 25, 2004
Mjenina1
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Sara, if you really need help, you really need to put your email address, not wait for people to give you theirs. Adnane already mentioned it, "trying to help" got you a good idea, I'm sorry I don't know any i can help you with, but what he said makes sense...
God bless you too sara, and
good luck
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1:45 pm    February 25, 2004
sara
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hi trying2help,

thank you for reading my message and replying to it.
please, if you can give me your email addresse so that I can explain to you exactly the situation where I am in it\\\'s realy an emmergency911, and give me please your advice and your help.

Thank you and God bless you all

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12:35 pm    February 25, 2004
Trying2help
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Hi Sara,
First, I won't know which school starts on March1st. I thought al colleges start around Jan. Any way, I just have a suggestion to you. INS will allow you not to take classes this semester for a medical reason. There are many reasons out there that can't be proven, like your neck hurt, your back...I know somebody that went thru the same thing. It was serious that his knee was hurting him but he could do everything. The doctor gave him a note that he gave to the International student office who sent it to the INS.
The other thing two is that you can work but go to Morocco for a bit, so at least you could say that u left the country and came back. I forgot what was the allowed time, you can ask the International student office. Try to take night classes vs day, they are cheaper. One more thing is that when I went to college a few years back, the INS could give you an off campus permit if you prove to them that unforeseen circumstances happened in your financial situation. Reasons that are no accepted are: father retiring, more kids going to school....these are things that are known and people should have prepared for them but medical bills, dentist bills, accident, sickness, depreciation of the dirham, Earthquake, flood....
Also, you did not mention how much did you want!
Best of luck
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8:14 am    February 25, 2004
nabilino
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adnan! enough of la CAN we need to talk about the seisme qui a frappe lhoceima!!
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6:34 pm    February 24, 2004
Mjenina
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Sanfor wach mazal ma bghitich dir 3eklek a borass???
En toute premiere chose, toutes mes sinceres condoleances a toutes les victimes du tremblement de terre qui a occure hier soir.
Sara, I'm sorry to say this but i can tell you're an ambitious person who wants to finish what you started and I totally respect that. I'm sorry too for your situation and your family's but asking just like that in a website for help this way, you'll only get funny and stupid replies, you should have thought about this a long time ago and applied for either credit cards, asked other family members or friends... So now you have 4 or 5 days left remaining, what i suggest you do is talk to whoever is responsible in that college and try the impossible, other than that, take a semester off and work and make that money for the next one, or marry sanfor
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3:31 pm    February 24, 2004
SANFOR_7
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SARA W'D YOU MERRY ME..... WHAT A HELP... WHAT A MAN A CI SANFOR...
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11:24 am    February 24, 2004
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U need to post your E-mail so people can see it and contact you if they are interested...
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10:15 am    February 24, 2004
sara
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Hi guys,
This is not ralated to the topic above, but please take some time reading it.
I would like to tell you guys that I am a moroccan who i seeking for help.
I am an internatinal student and have been here for two years supporting myself and my studies with my parents help, Unfortunately things went so wrong this year, so many desasters happened in my family and they coudn't help me out with my school.
Now I am in a realy bad situation, if I don't register this semester for my classes I will loose my F1 visa.
My dream is to finish my school to help myself have a normal life in the future, but I am desesperate at this moment, I only have 5 days to register, but I don't have money, I never had a credit card, and I don't know anyone who can help me.

So please help me if you can, I don;t want to go back home empty handed.

I ll check this weside again and again till I get your answers

thank you and god bless you

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6:18 am    February 24, 2004
Jalal
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RABAT, Morocco - A powerful earthquake struck northern Morocco early Tuesday, toppling houses and killing at least 300 people, local authorities said. Many of the victims were women, children, and the elderly.


The quake shook rural areas near the Mediterranean city of Al Hoceima, and there was deep concern about three outlying villages ? Ait Kamra, Tamassint and Imzourn ? where 30,000 people live in mud structures unable to withstand such an earthquake.

The quake struck at 2:27 a.m. when most people would have been asleep.


If we take into account the 140 people already killed in Al Kamra, we believe that the toll will rise to more than 300," a spokesman for village authorities told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.


According to the U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites), the 6.5-magnitude quake was centered 100 miles northeast of Fez, about a mile below the Mediterranean Sea bed.


The death toll climbed steadily throughout the day as rescuers reached hard-hit areas. Military and civilian rescuers were dispatched to help survivors and search for victims trapped under rubble, while helicopters filled with emergency supplies were preparing for takeoff.


However, rescuers reported difficulties in reaching the affected area, located in the foothills of the Rif Mountains and served by bad roads.


A 4.1-magnitude aftershock hit near Al Hoceima at 11:04 a.m., according to the official MAP news agency. It quoted the geophysical laboratory of the National Scientific and Technical Research Center.


A physician at Mohammed V hospital in Al-Hoceima told French television station LCI that there were "many deaths and many injured."


"Most of the injured have broken bones," he said. "Houses collapsed. It was a very, very violent jolt."


Another physician at the hospital told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity that hundreds of people were injured and that he expected the death toll to go to at least 200.


Al-Hoceima is the largest city in northern Morocco and is populated by Berbers. The region suffers from extreme poverty and underdevelopment and has been neglected by the government for decades following a rebellion in 1960.


The local economy is sustained by fishing and by farmers who grow cannabis.


U.S. Geological Survey spokesman Butch Kinerney said the earthquake's strength and depth could lead to damage along the coasts. He said the quake would likely be felt up to 200 miles away in Algeria.


The quake ? which reverberated across the Strait of Gibraltar ? was felt across much of southern Spain, but no damage or injuries were reported. News reports said it was most noticed in tall apartment blocks of southern Andalucia and southeast Murcia. The quake was also felt in the Spanish North African enclave of Melilla.


An unrelated temblor Monday evening shook the Alps region in southeast France. No injuries or damage were reported.


The last large earthquake to hit the area measured 6.0 and struck in 1994. But Morocco's deadliest earthquake was in 1960, when 15,000 people were killed after a devastating quake shook the southern city of Agadir and surrounding regions.

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7:12 pm    February 23, 2004
lol
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You said it yourself you were playing bie fsakwila..that means a long time ago..whatever your age is, unless you are 10-15 years..
All respect to everyone...
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5:56 pm    February 23, 2004
Baghi-Tiqar
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That's not a good example Mr..this is the worst example to give to this debate....and what are you talking about the 70's or 10 years ago..and about a minor incident that happened...Morocco if they go for it they are not the only one who will manage the scene but there will be a lot of international firms and advisers and skilled organizers who I am sure would help on this...and as I stated in previous posts no matter how we criticize our country..deep down we are for it's candidature and for hosting WC as it will would boost the economy further (everyone would benefit with no exceptions..)Everyone here is worried because we just want everything goes kool and dandy....it's a good move and we want it to be the right move...to the show the world that we can do things right also ..in that other end of the globe...

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3:58 pm    February 23, 2004
Mjenina
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anybody remembers, I dont know if it was a raja or moroccan team soccer game in casa or rabat stadium. The match was played at night and of course the worst scenario happened, the light went off for i think 5 or 10 minutes. I don't really remember when was that cuz i was still playing billes fel skwila.
You get my point why i mentioned that and I'll let you imagine the rest...
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3:09 pm    February 23, 2004
Zaki7
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It is kind of disappointing to see that educated moroccans let down their country so easily in a crucial time like the world cup candidacy which we will know the results in 3 months. I guess we\'ll just have to rely on arab and foreign support. Yes, Morocco is not perfect. Yes we have problems. Of course we can criticize and we should criticize and point out the weaknesses but this is not the right time. We are the champions of criticizing and doing nothing. Let\'s for once support and cheer the flag. I\'m just wondering, if we get it, will you guys have banners during the opening ceremonies with \'We don\'t desserve to host the WC\' ?

It seems that some are not convinced that hosting the WC can be a boost for the economy or that it is going to be temporary deal of 2 weeks. We kind of forget that 2010 is in 6 years! I am for those 6 years of building and improving things.

About the stadiums, 3 are under construction right now. the other 3 will start after the FIFA\'s outcome. Plus it will be funded by FIFA!

Regarding the argument that we already \'begged\' for it 3 times before. We seem to forget that it was against heavy weights: US, France and Germany, respectively AND we lost to the US by one vote in 1994... Now this time, we all know the cup will be in Africa and we all know that our competitor is South Africa. You know the ex-apartheid country that is presenting cricket-size stadiums instead of soccer stadiums... Even the FIFA people sees our persistance as a major plus for 2010...

Anyways, I\'m glad the majority of Moroccans see this as an opportunity more than anything else. Let\'s hope their wish will come true soon.

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1:57 pm    February 23, 2004
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- The 2010 World Cup is meant to be hosted in Africa.

- Morocco is the best African country qualified to do this honor.

- Morocco tells the world and FIFA, "I can host this World Cup, trust me"; and we 'wlad lbled' don't even show that trust and support...give me a break.

- The time to critisize is certainly NOT now because Morocco is ALREADY in the race. The finish line is approaching rather quickly.

- Well how can you be soooo sure of what Morocco presented to FIFA as a candidate to host World Cup 2010???!!! Very negative my brother.
Do you want me to provide you with links about how many presitigeous people in sports, media, and others have said (and endorsed) about our chances especially THIS TIME because of all the EFFORT Morocco have DONE to improve its chances in the biding. Please if you are not gonna help your country and support it especially while it is fighting for wining this bid, with all due respect just be quite.

This is like when your parent says something (which you think is wrong) and you start arguing with him/her in public...that is low class!! I am sure you'd be slapped right then, I know I have ;)

And Guess what!!!

No one deserves this World Cup better than Morocco!
Go Morocco 2010!!

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1:49 pm    February 23, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Lack of stadiums is definitely the major weakness in Morocco's application, and I don't think anyone disagrees on this point. But from what I understand, major funding to build stadiums comes from foreign investment, something FIFA is ok with. Building these stadiums will definitely create a bit more jobs - more than what Bush created in his 4 years :)

Other jobs get created as well to support the marketing. I guess supporters of Morocco 2010 are looking at it from the perspective of "la3mash wella la3ma"

South Africa is definitely more so[phisticated than Morocco, they have 3 soccer stadiums just like Morocco, but the rest of stadiums are all designed for Cricket. It is not easy to convert Cricket stadiums to soccer but definitely less expensive than building new ones. So SA application also has some sort of deficiency in their stadium situation.

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1:35 pm    February 23, 2004
Mjenina
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This isn't the first time morocco is a candidate to host the WC, I believe it's the 3rd time if not the 4th and correct me if I'm wrong, Now everytime we go fot this candidacy thing, we always go w/ the same thing we had in the past one... and nothing changes since the time before, how can the Fifa give us the organization of this event if we always keep having stadiums only in miniature models made of wood and paper...

You know what if we get this event, it's not b/c we deserve it, it's because of begging for it so many times and they'll be tired of us asking for the organization and they'll just give it to us so we be happy... It's like if you come up to someone and ask him the first time to lent you money and you say no, but if you keep persisting and asking again and again, at a certain point, you'll get what you want.
And believe me, that's the only way we'll get this candidacy... So to all the others who believe we'll get it b/c we deserve and we're ready for it, let me tell you that you're dreaming and you need to go on a side-trip back to morocco.

And once again, I love morocco more than you might do, so don't think I hate my country or something, but face the reality.

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1:20 pm    February 23, 2004
GrowingSoul
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Continuing on msg 227:

It is great that you guys want to critisize Morocco for its own good and for the only reason that you want Morocco to succeed on what its doing...ma 3endi man goul on that matter!!!
The thing is, many people seem to start critisizing right when Morocco is about to do something major (e.g., host world cup 2010). Why don't these people start the critisizim way before? Certainly the problem wasn't just born yesterday, according to your (oops) their comments....

Give me a BREAK...Morocco now is in the middle of something big, and under the spotlight...the timing to critisize is disgustingly wrong.

How about telling us what Morocco should do now...Should we give up the candidacy? !!!!

Please avoid the "should haves" because we want solutions for the futur not the past...

Thank you for your abundant support to Morocco 2010

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9:38 am    February 23, 2004
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le point que moroccan 100pc a leve est tres important car ce n'est que la stricte realite. You raised a very crucial point because you clarified that it's gonna make the riche and boukerch even richer and what about the poor? He might sell coke dans les tribus 10 dh la bouteille pour les spectateurs? Et apres? 2 mois apres comme rien n'y etais et la normale vie marocaine base sur la corruption, exploitation et prositution commencera.

Si on a un pays dont la stricte majorite vit et ne depends d'un salaire de $150 et moins, Comment peut on evoluer?, si je travaille au maroc par example "bartender" et je touche comme on l'appelle la-bas le "smig" (right spelling?) qui est bien sur 1500 dhs et je travaille la meme chose ici aux usa et je touche plus de 10 fois ce que dont je toucherais au maroc. Quel economie cela va booster??? Si cette coupe du monde est organisee, on n'aura que des hotels qui marcheront tres bien pour 2 ou 3 mois, et apres cela on n'en sera quoi faire et on va simplement les fermer. Cela dit bien sur que les hotels que nous avons ne sont pas suffisants, car vraiment on ne pense que ca ne sera que les joueurs qui vont y resider dans ces hotels, et que ferons-nous des spectateurs, que ferons nous a agadir, une petite ville de quoi 600,000 habitants avec 60 ou 70,000 touristes/specateurs d'en plus???? On va les loger ou ceux-la? dar chabiba o riyyada??? Il va falloir construire d'avantage plus d'hotels a utiliser pour 2 mois et ensuite les fermer, et comme la majorite ici le disent, ca va booster l'economie.
Si je n'avais pas cours maintenant, j' aurais pu discuter de la condition des hotels memes, des restaurants, des HOPITAUX ( que nous en n'avont pas), des rues, education, mentalite, ignorance d'une bonne majorite du peuple et surtout surtout les RESPONSABLES car avec ceux-ci le maroc d'ici 100 ans sera toujours le meme et j'en serai fier je ne serai pas vivant d'ice la-bas de voir ce desastre.
J'aime le maroc de tout mon coeur, comme le dit l mital lmeghribi, " lahouma ketran bladi, 3la 3ssel blad nass"... N'importe ou je suis, I was born and raised in morocco, studied there, spent my first 15 years there, it was a good time i had there that I actually miss so much after just 3 years in the US, but we are very very late in different areas.


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1:10 am    February 23, 2004
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My apology for using metaphorically "Chikhat"...I know we all love them and they are part of our culture.No harm done.. Thx.
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12:57 am    February 23, 2004
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I agree with u buddy...and that's what I was hinting in my explanation in #226 we have to be honestly objective and dismatle this mamangement style of "laisser aller, laisser faire" or approaching the media with this chikhat's broken record of "Golou laam Zine"...wake up and smell the coffee people..

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10:07 pm    February 22, 2004
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La facon avec laquelle tu as presente les marocains a l'etranger est negative (de simples profiteurs de services mise en place par des autres). Et tu continues a le faire. Oui tu etais etudiant en France, comme moi d'ailleur, Oui tu as benificie de tous les services, comme moi d'ailleur. Mais contrairement a ta vision, moi je vois que la France a beneficier des nos travaux en tant qu'etudiants ou chercheurs (sans qu'on soit directement payer). Certains d'entre nous (etudiants) ont participe a des projects de haut niveau et ont fait avancer beaucoup de chose en France et dans les pays ou ils ont etudie et ceci n'est pas rien, cher cousin...

Il n'y a aucun doute que j'adore mon pays le Maroc, mais je me permets de critiquer "nos responsables". A moins que ceci est interdit et c'est ce que je deduis en lisant vos messages. (Give me a break, et cie) Mais il y a une chose: si nous ne disions rien et nous faisions savoir a "nos responsables" que tout va bien meme quand ca va pas. Crois-tu que les choses vont changer ? et surtout quand tout va bien et tout le monde est content ?

Au fond de moi, j'aime que le Maroc organise ce Mondial comme j'ai aime qu'il organise les 3 autres aux laquels il a presente sa candidature. Mais je voudrai qu'il reussisse surtout. Et pour cela, ceux parmis "nos responsables" qui ne meritent pas d'etre la, doivent partir, c'est tout simple que ca.

je me retire.

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9:14 pm    February 22, 2004

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The phenomenon of sport and sport events has captured people beyond the genuine idea of thriving to win and recreation. It has captured the business machine everywhere in the world. In USA, boukersh is the one who reaps the monetary benefits of sports. Europe, Asia, Africa and Morocco is no exception.

Boukersh everywhere will earn the money one way or another, and it is becoming a paranoia, in my opinion, to pick on the Moroccan Boukersh.

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7:56 pm    February 22, 2004
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I remember when I was in Marrakesh and Morocco organized the GATT meeting (now called WTO). You know what happened then; they searched for all the biggers, homeless, handicaped people and took them Oukaimden (to practice SKI), if this is the behavior of a goverment, then I do not think they deserve to organize the World cup. It is really nice and being from Morocco you want Morocco to get the bid, but beleive me, it will make only help the rich and powerfull poeple (boukerch as some call them). they will create imagninary campanies and get bids to do business, they will get market and will have opportunities to steal more and more. So the World cup in Morocco will make the gap between the poor or average person and rich people even larger. Knowing all these, I do not think it is fair. Mexico and Spain and other countries that had their economy flurished after the World cup, I beleive had better govermnets and better leader, not because they are better than us But just because they have democracy and freedom to speak and choose right people to serve them. I am sorry guys buy I have to vote against the Moroccan Candidature eventhough my heart is with it!
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5:36 pm    February 22, 2004
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Thanks Adnane for reconsidering and supporting Morocco's bid. We all need to be in this united. What better arena than sports to put our differences aside and work towards winning something for once. Sorry if my previous post was too long but I felt like I had to fill it with examples to make my arguments.

Anyways, I am sure that if we get it, the worst scenario would be that we will eventually make some errors in the process but I am also confident that we can make the best out of it by making it a fiest for the eyes and the souls for the rest of the world to see.

Moroccan_100_pc, je ne voudrais pas etre hors sujet vu que la discussion porte sur l'organization de la coupe du monde mais je me sens oblige de repondre apres m'etre royalement trompe comme tu dis. J'ai etudie un bon bout de temps en France. Je ne payais pas de taxes et je ne travaillais pas, pourtant si je me rappelle bien, je beneficiais de tous les services dont les autres citoyens beneficiaient... La secu gratuite, Medicaments gratuits, l'universite gratuite, etc...

C'est desolant de voir que tu ne prends que les exemples negatifs quand il s'agit de parler de ton pays. Il en existe certes; mais crois en ton pays cousin car personne d'autre ne le fera a ta place. Sinon on n'a plus qu'a deposer les cles, declarer faillite et changer de couleur de passeport...

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11:31 am    February 22, 2004
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i can't be bad for us to organize the world cup 2010 why don't we be more optimistic about the whole candidate thing and for once STOP criticising our own country.
vive maroc 2010
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10:58 am    February 22, 2004
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- The 2010 World Cup is meant to be hosted in Africa.

- Morocco is the best African country qualified to do this honor.

- Morocco tells the world and FIFA, "I can host this World Cup, trust me"; and we 'wlad lbled' don't even show that trust and support...give me a break.

- The time to critisize is certainly NOT now because Morocco is ALREADY in the race. The finish line is approaching rather quickly, so get into the spirit, cheer, and encourage your country like you've never done before.

- Please bare in mind that what you say about your country might influence someone's opinion on the image of your country. This is the time to digg in your brains and start reciting poems about the beauty of your beloved country, Morocco.

No one deserves this World Cup better than Morocco!
Go Morocco 2010!!

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9:21 am    February 22, 2004
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No matter how we criticize Morocco I do believe that we have to give it a shot.I think that it would be a very productive experiment to see where we are? and how effecient are we in organizing?
Whenever we would discuss big projects such as the WC or other ones I presume that We would heat up the discussion and storm it with criticism some of it determine how thorough we look at things and some of are superficial or pragmatic which is beneficial anayway..
Consequently, this shows that we look at this challenge from different backgrounds and angles---we don't have just to look at the big picture we have to go into details of course.
But overall, I see all the lines entangled around what we have to offer and what we will get from it afterwards???
I do see the organizition of WC in Morocco as a better marketing to our country, culture and especially Tourism which plays a very outstanding influential role in our economy. But the issue lies in how we present our candidature?
Do you guys think it's foolish if you see any country submitting their application to host major conventions or world trade conferences or computer int'l fairs..IT's not for gratis but it will definitely reward the host country with a lot of benefits.I would say that Morocco seems to be heading towards the right direction more than 10 years ago hosting a lots of gigantec events which made Morocco known, boosted the economy and created what we call in a slang term (Rawaj) otherwise we could have stayed in a status quo (FI Khabar Kana) as we don't have a worthy cashflow or barrels of petroleum!!
Morocco obviously shows that it is determined to enter the bid no matter how much it cost..(not of money but of begging for it) and here is my q? Are we here presenting an application to host a major international event only on drafts..isn't that funny or what? Can anyone who is now in Morocco enlighten us about what has been done since then? any projects...any changes!!!or we gonna do like whenever "the king" is visiting somewhere in morocco the Municipality paints walls, provides fancy lights and plams and fix (Trottoirs) in a supersonic deadline...
I believe that it should be looked at this project very seriously, we are not gonna mess around with something like this..We love to have WC in Morocco but we should not take it at face-value and keep flattering ourselves about our resources even if we don't have half of the necessary!!
On the other hand,I think this major event would introduce Morocco to more investments and more int'l companies to explore the moroccan market because of our outstanding location our open-minded style of life and culture and our openness to the west more than any other Arab country.In reference to the economy -although I'm not an economy guru-Morocco has spared no efforts to strengthen ties with EU and it was rewarding and managed in the meantime to balance its relationship with the US to benefit from free-trade with it.
Morocco seems to be a genuine competetor to Egypt,S.A. and Tunisia to attract more investments. Moreover,by having more foreign investments-and I would take it for granted that "Boukersh" -excuse my french-get the big share of the pie- but we still will have more job openings and develop the economy etc...We do have double standards though..so what??? there's double standards everywhere!!
Bottom line,we know already what we gonna get from it!! the problem here lies in the presentation of Morocco-what we have to offer? what we do have now? ...
It's the sole responsibility of the government to stop embellishing it's image with some fancy stuff and be realistic and establish what is necessary for this challenge not what we will provide if we win?? and then we have to beg for donations from the world bank and other orgs. to help us..
I think going for this challenge-and i keep calling it a challenge because of the importance of the project-will be a good decision but we have to have the right people in the right place to manage this file. Let's keep our fingers crossed!!
Thx.

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8:28 am    February 22, 2004

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SimpleM> No, it was writen "Al maghreb" reference to Morocco.
On one side of the coffin, it was writen "hada massiro monafisina".
(this is the fate of our competitors)
I was surprise to learn that Tunsia has a much higher literacy rate than Morocco (74% of the population)
during my stay there, I didn't see a single beggar in the street , nor a shanky town .
Morocco has 19% of its population living under the poverety line, Tunisia has 6 % !
the Moroccan GDP per capita is $3,900, the Tunisian one is $ 6800.
I was shoked to hear that some illegale Moroccan immigrants do work in the Tunisian black market ... others are legally working as security gards, ceiling decorators etc...
Despite the relatively small size of their country, the Tunisians seem to be willing to make the best of what ever they have at their disposale. Tourism included .
But Instead of Tunsia, Morocco has all the chances to be the model for the North African countries, because of its divers resources and their abundance.
what is lacking is organisation and intelligent management .

Power without control is futile !

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12:38 am    February 22, 2004

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I used to be against Morocco hosting 2010 world cup for similar reasons, but I changed my mind eventually.

I believe that in Morocco we may not be very successful in economics, politics, justice, but we proved to be successful and honest worldwide in some areas in sport: soccer, tennis and running. It is always important to use what you are good at in hopes to survive, and improve along the way what you are not so good at. From this, I figured that using sports to improve the rest might not be a bad idea after all. It is worth trying. I think 2010 world cup presents an opportunity for Morocco to let sports melt with economics and politics and what have you to produce a unprecendented formula for Morocco and Moroccans to start on a different platform. After all, Morocco needs a different platform somewhere. Given sports is one of our major strengths, we'll be foolish not to utilize it beyond mere entertainment.

Winning such a bid to organize a world event surely presents many challenges to Morocco to deal with. The beauty of it is that it will force Morocco to prepare for these challenges, train whoever will be involved and learn from mistakes. The result after the world cup will be hands-on experience, refined logistics skills, better infrastructure here and there, global and local pressure to sustain the standards reached, just to name a few. From a different angle, the result could also be a disasterous image of Morocco's organization. That is dirty and though no doubt. But it will become I envision one of the most important national unifying purposes in the history of Morocco. It should put pressure on the top to be refreshed and clean up.

I want to avoid justifying a failed Morocco 2010 worldcup with possible scandals. I prefer to call them risks at this time. They are issues that haven't occured yet, and as such Morocco has plenty of planning and preparation time to assess risks, and avoid, reduce and mitigate them. At the end, risks could become reality, and that is part of any project. FIFA was not very pleased with some aspects of the last worlcup coordination between south korea and japan, but nobody is blaming koreans and japanese. FIFA simply learned and now rules out joint-org of future worldcups. I'm sure the south koreans and japanese also learned from their mistakes.

Sometimes some problems are solved twice. You solve the problem, you think you did, but you'd introduced a new problem, and only then you know what to do to solve the first problem. It sounds wicked, but that's exactly what they call it: a wicked problem. I believe that we should be patriotic Moroccans and accept that if we organize the worldcup in 2010 we might have problems that only help us choose to improve rather than complain.

On a final note, how about we imagine for a second that the worldcup in Morocco 2010 will be successful, smooth, simple and exotic. May be with some issues here and there, but nothing unexpected, after all everyone knows that Morocco is not Germany, USA, UK, France etc. that Morocco is a place with football soul and it is inviting the world to taste it on its soil. Now that is the picture I am putting in my head and it feels fabulous.

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12:00 am    February 22, 2004
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Assuming Morocco wins the bid. Which I really emotionally hope he does anyways. One has to always keep in mind that making presentations or proposals is only a show of intentions which is of course much easier than ground level implementations. As we all know that good intentions are not enough to get anything done in life. Morocco has to take seriously his engagements with the international community. I?ll be worrying a little bit about the deadlines given the work flow tendencies here. I look forward for the hope surge the people will feel. For that only, it makes it all worth it to support the Moroccan bid.

As far as reactions or feelings, I hope that we will be at the level where we can show the world what Moroccans are made of. I have all the trust in our rich culture to educate the world through this wide open window. Morocco has all what it takes to be a world leader, if only his leaders knew! A quick correction and I don?t mean to stay on it too long, I?m not against our candidacy for WC 2010. I only hope that we are in it for the right reasons. I also believe that as a country we have more urgent issues to deal with.

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11:39 pm    February 21, 2004
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Desole de t?avoir enfoncer, mais la VERITE NE PLAIT PAS. je ne changerai pas d'avis sur le fait que le Maroc d'AUJOURD'HUI, n'est pas pr?t a organiser aucun GRAND evenement.

Je me rappelle des scandales de la finale du tournoi Hassan II 1998, portant sur le timming, le materiel et l'application des lois, c'etait rapporter en direct sur TF1 et 60M de francais ont vu ces scandales en directe.

Quelle serait ton attitude quand ceci passera en direct dans tous les teles du globe terrestre ?

Le Maroc n'a pas change depuis et par consequent les scandales continuent : celui du tournoi du Qatar, celui du match contre la Suisse que des gens normalement constitues pourraient l'utiliser comme carte pour appuyer leur candidature a l'organisation du mondial.

Tu parles de marocains qui vivent dans des pays et tu dis qu?ils profitent .. des services et des pays qui les acceuillent. Tu te trompes royalement. Ces marocains travaillent et par consequent il payent des impots et des taxes donc il participent activement a l?amelioration des services dans les pays ou ils vivent. Tu les compares aux touristes etrangers qui passent deux semaines au Maroc. Et la aussi, tu te trompes, tu devrais les comparer au etrangers qui travaillent au Maroc et qui se font payer 4 fois plus qu?un citoyen marocain qui effectue la meme tache. Qui a decider ceci ? demande a boukerch, celui qui doute des competences des marocains, celui qui doute que nos jeunes atteinderont la finale de la CAN 2004. Quant aux touristes, j?en ai vu plusieurs qui prennent avec eux leur tentes, leurs boites de conserve, leurs papier toillette et leurs maladies?. Alors de quelle contribution economique parles-tu ?
Pire, au tournoi Hassan II 1998, l'equipe Anglaise residait en Espagne et ne se deplacait au Maroc que le jour du match.

Tu compares le Maroc au Mexique 86, je ne m?interesse pas de pres aux infos venant de ce pays, mais je doute fortement que leurs responsables font des gaffes aussi stupides que celles de nos ?responsables?.

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11:34 pm    February 21, 2004
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I have to say that I really enjoyed reading your last statement. It brought to light major parts of the country?s laundry list. I really don't think it will be productive to dwell on some of the skewed interpretations presented. Otherwise, it will be way outside of subject. I will however post some reflections under Development of Morocco thread.

Let's focus back on the happy side of things, LaLa land tunes, and let us taste the joy of our truly national football team.

Have a great weekend,

Simple Moroccan Citizen
Live Fair, Respect Life!

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10:39 pm    February 21, 2004

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In addition to this post, I would like to ask Simple Moroccan Citizen the following question: what would you do, and how will you react, if Morocco ends up winning the 2010 world cup bid?
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9:55 pm    February 21, 2004 This is an unrelated or foul message..
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wa klaaaoui a adnane bddel topic awe rahe tla3 lina frasse
tu ne prends plus soin du site comme au debut aaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwweee tfo
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8:31 pm    February 21, 2004
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SMC, thanks for clarifying. This is in no way a 2 way conversation. I was arguing about the points you raised. Nothing less, nothing more.

I won't elaborate on my geopolitical or economical knowledge base, even though I have an interest for both fields. And frankly, I do not think I need to be an expert in any of the two to discuss about the points you raised. Moreover; since we are not in charge of Morocco's foreign relations nor its yearly budget, I will stop short in replying to the comment or laying out what 'school of thought' I belong to but whatever it is; it has no business in hating Morocco to the point of wishing that a world cup goes to a South Africa rather than Morocco.

Let's go back to the discussion.

Regarding the economy, you call foreign investment in Morocco prostitution, I call it foreign investment, we clearly disagree on that one so let's just leave it there. Our opinions can differ on this matter; only time will tell even though time already told us from our very eastern borders. I think your economics books are very outdated in this regard. A quick example: Algeria took the path of naturalizing foreign companies in the 60's and closed itself to the world by adopting strict marxist views. The result speaks for itself and their constituencies had to re-open the economical borders after decades of BLINDNESS wasted in refusing to join the community of nations (economically speaking). That is what I call a LACK OF VISION and that is why we are candidate and they are not.

My views are simplistic? You bet it is. When NGO's in Morocco realized that there was a simplistic solution to complex issues, they organized and carried out plans to fight poverty, help children, fight for women's rights and so forth. They did not bark at the government for its lack of action, they took over the action and are doing an outstanding job. Not enough you would say, True, but it is leading the way to say the least. A society that takes itself in charge and demonstrate a strong will for change is on the right track and I believe this is where Morocco is today. It might be too slow for some of us but it it's too fast for others and that is fine as long as we find the right tune and that we're moving forward. The moudawana implementation was a good illustration of that sentiment.

Regarding the WC,

As long as we will have a complex towards the developed countries and as long as we will have a negative attitude about everything that is Moroccan, we will not advance. We have seen in the past as I mentioned in my previous post developing countries such as Mexico, Guatemala, Uruguay, etc.. organizing World cups years ago. Now explain to me what those countries had 40 years ago that we don't have today. I do not share the clash of civilization rhetoric. That is I believe the true SIMPLISTIC way of seeing things and that is the reason why i am not surprised anymore to hear some foreigners sincerely hailing Morocco and in contrast nationals booing the very country where they grew up.

Let's stay on the economics of the issue , let me in my turn clarify and even be more specific: There is a clear correlation between a nation's GDP and the world cup. This has been proven and reported and has been the subject of many studies. This is no secret for anyone. How you manage this boost to the economy is a different story but events involving hundreds of million of dollars have a ripple effect on the economy, on the long term image of the country, on its tourism and indirectly on several other sectors... That is if you know a bit about economics...

On the Moroccans AlAhrar VS subjects, that was a good crescendo to end your post, allow me to be very practical on this matter too as I am sure the majority of moroccans are. What we need in Morocco is a strong economy, jobs for everyone and the rule of law who prevails. Democracy has advanced in Morocco compared to 10 years ago but the real preoccupation of the citizens is not the freedom to talk about whatever they want. It is still and will always be about the buying power that will make them feed their children by the end of the month. Secure that for your AlAhrar and they will thank you for it. Anyway this is a different subject but I'll be happy to discuss it when I'll feel like a subject to somebody someday. Right now, I am Moroccan and I do support my country for organizing the cup like most Moroccans do... Sorry if that is irritating a few.

Anyway, nothing personal... so let's support the candidacy and show a good image of our country if we ever get it. That is all that matters when it comes to Morocco and Moroccan Soccer. The rest is fuss and wishes.

The Lala Land representative.

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6:15 pm    February 21, 2004
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Zaki7, I really don't know how much you understand in geopolitics or economics. Your argumentation seems rather annoyingly simplistic. Nothing personal, and by respect to all the Raiooers, I don't intend to make this a two way conversation.

This isn?t about jobs or infrastructure. This is more about a complete LACK of VISION. You can't survive only by prostituting. You can't either live in a feudal age, service age and information age at once. They are not compatible by construction. It is against the human natural development process. This is why you see your society as lost and confused as it can be. Not only Morocco but this includes all the so called third world and emerging countries.

Allow me to clarify this for you: Morocco is driving (driven rather) like a BLIND. There are no plans no goals other than protecting the status quo. The whole nation is living in a day by day mode. Everything is being sold even the souls of people. Nobody is held accountable for anything. We can?t produce any valuable goods to compete in the real markets so we sell talk and good time; they are the sole source of livelihood for the whole nation.

Your world cup will maybe create temporary low level jobs that will disappear in 5 years. This is not what any country is looking for. You need to look at the bigger picture! Complete improvisation is not the way a nation can grow and advance. Responsible Planning is the key to our success as a free sustain ably developed nation.

You are not living in LaLa land anymore. The laws of nature still apply as they did for thousands of years: The Strong Survives. If you can't build a strong county you will eventually vanish in few days as the world was reminded last year. This world is not as friendly as you might think. People out there are out to get you if they can and of course if you allow them to... Sorry to burst your bubble. But it was very annoying to see your dreamy creamy picture.

Oh! The other thing, I don?t think that France or the US are the set models. I believe those countries like others have bigger problems of their own. Plus, it isn?t about the East and West anymore. It is more about the Inside and the Outside. The west is in your home already for more than a century now. It is way overdue to evolve from that narrow directional view of the world. Plus it is not surprising from your school of thought to see that you were kind of amused by AL MAGHARBA ALHRAR. For your information, we are indeed Ahrar and most Moroccans are. Some however chose for themselves to be SUBJECTS.


Simple Moroccan CITIZEN,
Live Fair, Respect Life!

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4:22 pm    February 21, 2004
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I do not agree with the fact that Morocco needs to be perfect in all instances before we could even think of hosting the World Cup. I do not understand why the previous posts are trying to sink the ship down. Let the FIFA people do their job and decide who is capable of hosting the cup and who is not. Are we better than the organizing committee to decide?? Who are we to judge?

Let me remind you guys that Mexico and several other south american countries hosted the cup a long time ago. Is Mexico in 1986 better than Morocco in 2010? give me a break!

As far as corruption, let's leave it there cuz those so-called democratic countries you are referring to that host sport events on a regular basis (US and France included) have work ethics that are ridiculously corrupted. Haven't you heard about the Salt Lake Olympics scandal? How about les 'emplois ficitifs' of Juppe and Chirac?

Leaders whoever they are think that the economy can pick up with all the money that will be injected in the 'economy' by CREATING NEW JOBS, building infrastructure, hotels, transportation, etc... and that is good... Now we can discuss all the problems Morocco has, but if you fail to acknowledge that creating jobs is good for Morocco, then this is a new theory you need to educate me about.

I'm also sick and tired of all this 'them' and 'us' BS. If we fail, then it's the west fault because they are sucking our blood. And how? Well by investing in Morocco and creating call centers, hotels, factories, etc..
I would love to understand how doing this can harm Morocco. It's just beyond me. I even read that tourism is there to make us 'submissive'. Now, how stupid is that. Millions of Moroccans live abroad, take a full advantage of all services that their host country offers them (health, education, jobs, business, etc..) and when a blondish American or European tourist asks to spend his 2 weeks vacation in Morocco, we are going to tell him: no thanks but your coming here will make us submissive towards our government. God, this one topped it all!!

all the actions you laid out look more than a catastrophic scenario, you said: AL MAGHARBA AL AHRAR?? What a joke...

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3:39 pm    February 21, 2004
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Hi,
email me at tarikelazzouzi@yahoo.com, tu me connais!?
caio
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1:49 pm    February 21, 2004
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Hi,
sorry for the late reply,
I understand your point and I admitt that we suck as organizers but not all the time..Iwhat happen this time could have happen for any African country or even a first world coutry..
About the articles I agree totally with that..I think that they were so excited with the current event that they forgot what is coming up..this is not an excuse of course but after all the hard work the team has done I don't think they will be able to play a freidly game..especially that they all come from europ and their teams need them after a long absence..
Anyways, I know what happen is so bad, but this means that we need to change the people that are responsible...
I just hope that we think of this organization of the world cup as a plus for developping ourselves and not the only reason..
All the best for Morocco..
p.s: I assumed that you live in the US..I don't know why I said that..sorry
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12:33 pm    February 21, 2004
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I can not disagree with you khoya, you are right and I hope that Morocco will not get the bid to organize the world cup. We need a real democracy first, and then we will know for sure that everyone simple Moroccan citizen will have his share of benefit from organizing such event, and not only boukersh.
3ik al breek...
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11:38 am    February 21, 2004
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Antr, thank you for sharing your trip notes. I was wondering, did the coffin says "Al Maghreb" like in "Morocco" or Like in "Maghreb Arab", happenstance or nuance?

Thx

Simple Moroccan Citizen,
Live Fair, Respect Life!

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11:25 am    February 21, 2004
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Moroccan 100%, I can't agree with you enough. I think we are asking for something that we might have major troubles with (view my opinion on the subject in the WC 2001 thread of this board). It will also enlarge the social gaps already flagrantly huge.

Given the new developments here, I really see it very foolish to even think of organizing anything in this OPPRESSED place.

The last event that involved Si Almandjra confirms more that things never changed and will never change in Morocco. I believe it is time for all the PEOPLE to take their lives on their hands. We don't need any puppet shows. We need real leaders that can stand for their people. We need to organize. We need to be proactive. This is the time when you act now or you vanish forever. The colonialist heats are up again. Superpowers are wondering around for more resources to devour for their ill economies.

As a side remark, I was thinking about the level of regression we arrived at in Morocco since few centuries. It strikes me how this family in power is so not very innovative. I believe we need leaders that are more industrialists and builders rather than a bunch of pleasure service providers. As it stands, the national policy is to stay as service providers (tourism, world wide prostitution, soustraitance, call centers,...) What is it that these people want us always to be SUBMISIVE. Are they afraid of creating a strong working class that might follow its predecessors around the world to revolt against the feudal system we still have?

Here, I call all AL MAGHARBA AL AHRAR to wake up and stand up. The stakes are high and we need to gather to be strong. Our whole culture is soon to be abstracted to a lousy Disney cartoon character and a Happy Meal toy made in China. History will judge us for the positions we chose to take or not to take. How long are we going to leave this bunch of abusive crooks getting away with all that they do? When each one of them will be held accountable for all his/her crimes? When is time to change these Agents of the other to the real Magharba LHrar that have their hearts on the right place? Aren?t we sick of seeing these mollusks-beings leading us down?

You tell me!

Simple Moroccan Citizen,
Live Fair, Respect Life!

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9:04 am    February 21, 2004
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Moroccan 100pc- ...But, beside South Africa, tell me one African country wich could have what it takes to hold the world cup...!?
S.Africa needs an opponent...and as far as I can see, Morocco is a better one than Egypt, or Tunisia, and much less Lybia.
As for the idea of building the stadiums first, then making the bid afterwards, it is strategically unwise...

"il ne faut pas vendre la peau de l'ours, avant de l'avoir tue' "


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8:49 am    February 21, 2004

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I just came back from Tunisia, the tickets for the match were all sold out , so I had to watch it on TV.
by the time the referee blew the whistle,
thousends of Tunisians of both sexes and of all ages were on the streets chanting and wearing flags.The athmosphere was friendly though...except one little detail that I didnt like much : a bunch of youngsters were carrying a coffing with a Moroccan flag on it , and it read "Allahu Akbar" on one side, and "Al Maghreb" on the other... hehe
But I guess, it would have been funny if the Moroccans would have done the same joke.
All in all, I must say that the Tunisians have respect for the Moroccans. because of the Morocan open minded culture, as opposed to the culture of most poeple from the middle east.
From time to time, the local radio station, plays Moroccan music,(Naima Samih, Hamid Zahid, Shikhat etc...) wich is cool .
the Tunisians are very pro-Maghreb oriented.

A shop keeper told me that after the Morocco-Algeria match, the Algerian fans broke the stadium's seats, as well as cars in the streets...
I found the Tunisians friendly and welcoming... Even when I was coming back, the lady at the pass control control asked me if I watched the match, and told me that the next time, Morocco will win inshallah, and that Tunisia had to win it this time, because it never did in the past.
the Moroccan team was "impeccable" as the Tunisians kept repeating, and was admired for his European football style (same wave of lenth and collective work) . All the credit goes to Zaki for picking up those young talented players from different corners.
the biggest achievement, is that we have a national team that can inflit a serious damage to whom ever would face it... ;)
No need for more evidences...

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8:25 am    February 21, 2004
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let me correct myself-sorry for the typos- "what is it for me ?" supposed to be "What's in it for me?" concept..Thx
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8:22 am    February 21, 2004
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"Morrocan_100PC"...I like you analysis, it was a good reading between the lines and a humble translation of "What is it for me?" concept for the average moroccan citizen..I don't have much to say right now ...just this saying:"You hit the bull's eye"!
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3:35 am    February 21, 2004
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coucou tarik stp laisse moi ton num du tel c est urgent ..
svp je veux te parler .. je m'appelle s'ouhaile
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9:00 pm    February 20, 2004
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I love my country morocco, but going from the FACT that morocco is under a continuous and dangerous regression, it is a bad think that morocco organise any big event. Involuntarily you joined me in this as you admitted that morocco nowadays is not as organized/strong as EU or US. I don't think there has been a country candidates to organize the WC with stadiums in paper and 4 times with the same folder. in my opinion, when morocco fails the first time, they have, at least, to build the required stadiums before candidating for the second time. worst, nothing was done and we candidate for the 3rd and then for the 4th time. To which country are you going to compare now ?

Et si nous organisons le mondial 2010, le citoyen normal n'aura rien, rien dans notre pays n'est fait pour le bonheur du simple citoyen, de quelle infrastructure parles-tu ? 1- Des autoroutes !? il faut que le citoyen normale possede une voiture d'abord !!! et en suite, meme cet autoroute ne serait pas gratuite !!! Et pire, il serait construite et exploite par des companies etrangeres. 2- Des hotels !? demande au simple citoyen combien de fois a ete dans un hotel au maroc !? 3- Des hopitaux !? je crois que le citoyen normal ne sait plus ce que l'hopital veut dire, les citoyen haute-gammes ont des carte-soleil du Quebec et pour les autres, il y a des avions pour les transporter en Europe......

Dans tout ceci, Boukerch est le plus avantager, il aura a faire des appels d'offre et a decider qui les aura, il s'associera a des etrangers "gens de confiance", il aura encore une opportunite et des moyens de detourner l'argent du pays. etc, etc ...

Et si nous organisons le mondial 2010, les erreurs d'organisation des boukerchs, nous les subiront nous, comme ce que subissent a petit echelle les marocains residant en Suisse en ce moment. Boukerch s'en fiche lui ...

However, I would like to know what do you think about the 2 articles and how to overcome this kind of situations ? what would be our contribution ? petitions !? des messages de ras-le-bole au ministre des sports, au roi !? ou comme toujours subir et rien faire !?

BTW, I don't live in US.

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7:00 pm    February 20, 2004
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If every country had your idea then USA and EUROP for example will never reach what they have reached..European contries never thought they could get together like this..even here in the US no one would think that the south and the north, the white and the black could get together and build the coutry that I think you are living in....
I know you are going to say that the cases are different..but they are not....There is always hope and the worse that can happen is that we at least get some infra structure instead of the money going to "krouch shi nass"....
This is my idea..I know there could be a risk of having more debts if we don't do it well..but let's not hope so
Peace
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5:14 pm    February 20, 2004
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http://www.dimadimaraja.com/news/site/view_article.asp?idarticle=201

http://www.dimadimaraja.com/news/site/view_article.asp?idarticle=200

J'espere de tout mon coeur que le maroc n'organisera pas le mondial 2010. Sinon, nous serions sujet dans des blagues a l'echelle mondial. du genre:

"tu veux organiser un mariage, confies le a un marocain .... "

Pouvez-vous me dire si ce maroc changera un jour !?

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2:29 pm    February 20, 2004
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Happy newr Year (Hijriyah)
bkull matminouttou inshallah...
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2:12 pm    February 20, 2004
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I did ...
here is a Link :

http://www.aljazeera.net/art_culture/2004/2/2-20-4.htm

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1:56 pm    February 20, 2004
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one more thing .. anybody heard about al mandgerah prevented from delivering a speech in a public library in Casa al bayda ??? because it is against the american interests ( moroccan ) 7shoooma ou 3ayeb tfoooooooooooo 3ela blad
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1:54 pm    February 20, 2004
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voila!!! now y'all r talking
Jeeboo leena the pics of the "toote al 7abashi "
Yallah Dima Maroc tat9adi had a ghaweta
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1:39 pm    February 20, 2004
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Yeah i said i`m smarter than he thinks I am...
and that was just a joke...

I don`t even know the guy.. and i`m not fighting him or even arguing with him....


Adnane, 3la w9eftek debbar m3ak 3la tesswira dial hadick lbent lli banet felmatch contre algeria... rak 3aref 3lamen kanehdar...

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12:52 pm    February 20, 2004
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Adnane!!!
Zairi is miiiiiiiiiine! not that girl!
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12:33 pm    February 20, 2004

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Nego said "( i`m smarter than what you think) " and he didn't say he's smarter than him :)

At any rate, I'm positive both of you can move on and agree that we have a powerful team. There's a picture online of Zairi with a girl, and the press are claiming her to him already lol that's how powerful Arab media is =) I'll provide a link for it when I find it.

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12:21 pm    February 20, 2004
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What you said make sense to me ans I think to most of us..thanks for explainning..
I just wamt to mention that there was no need to say that you are smarter tahtn he is..we are not competing here and none of us know how smart are the others..let's not look like we are fighting or that we hate each other..ok,
I know that you can understand my point and take it as a freindly observation, (I also should say I hope so)
Thanks for reading,
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7:59 am    February 20, 2004
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c'est l'argentine ca sera le 28 avril ? Casablanca
par ailleurs un autre match face ? la selection de la CONCACAF est programm? entre le 26 et le 1er mai sur l'Ile de Grenade, ce sera l'?quipe olympique qui jouera ce match
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7:56 am    February 20, 2004
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Chouf a3ammi,
In you r Message you didn`t mention that you were aware of the rules, and i didn`t doubt that, i just explained why the runner-up had only 30 points added , and the 3rd placed team had 50 points added, You said this does not make sense to you, i replied that if you counted the points the way FIFA does it will make sense to you... as it did to most if not all people....

Thanks for calling me Smart guy ( i`m smarter than what you think) by th way, if you think the procedure for the ranking is unfair , that is your point of view, but i don`t think it is unfair..
In this case it`s ok to see Saudia ranked better than us if they win the Asian Cup.., eventhough they play against teams such as Emirate, Qatar, indeonesia, malisia...,
while in the other hand Morocco plays against Nigeria, Tunisia, ALgeria, mali , South Africa, who are all better ranked than the Asian teams...,
so I guess it`s better that way, you beat Nigeria, you get 20 points , if you beat Indonesia you only get 5 points even if it is the final of the asian cup....

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10:53 pm    February 19, 2004
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You all make sure to sign the petition for the World Cup

http://www.gomaroc.com/maroc2010/petition_maroc2010.php3

Best of Luck to Morocco,

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10:25 pm    February 19, 2004
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This is us Moroccans we do no admit that we do not know something..he knows the rules but he thinks they are not fai..when did he say that..plus why do you call him smart guy in that way..he was just explaining to you and us how it work(ihope he did) this is the point of having a forum,,,,,
Sorry Adnan if I am out of the subject but I just laugh at the way our conversations are ...not all though
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9:03 pm    February 19, 2004
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salam all when morocco will play brazil inshallah
thanx
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7:04 pm    February 19, 2004
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to nego,
I'm aware for the rules and i know what they state , by the way if you need to refresh your memory i refer you to this link :http://www.fifa.com/en/rank/procedures.html
But, what i meant , smart guy who knows the rules, is those procedures of ranking are unfair and if look at any other world ranking in any other sports , you will notice that Arazi didn't get more points for beating Moya than philippoussis.
so, do you get it ? it's the hole system wich doesn't reflect any " fair play" . OUT.
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7:41 am    February 19, 2004
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The FIFA did nothing Wrong, they don`t count the points the way you did, Nigeria defeated Cameroune who is ranked 13th.
Morocco defeated Teams that were already behind him in the ranking, so if you beat Benin, Algeria, Mali, South Africa, who are all ranked behind us, you don`t get as many points as if you beat Cameroune who is 20 some ranks before you..., The only Team that was ahead of us is Nigeria...
Tunisia defeated Senegal, Nigeria.....

if Morocco beats Brazil in their Friendly Game we will get some good Points even if it is just a Friendly game...

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7:19 am    February 19, 2004
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hey man:
do you know why moroccan tvs didn't show the events? because some saoudian ass#$%# both the right to the event and tried to sell it to morocco for a chit load of money. Morocco was not welling to do so instead the guy sold it to some tv channel in europe for lesser money. sale arab
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6:35 am    February 19, 2004
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All Moroccan around the world are happy about the performance of our national team, i just want to mention that we were really disappointed by the way how National Televisions channels (RTM & 2M) presented this events. It`s really shame to let down the population like this, instead of watching the match we`ve got Mexican series here in europe ....that`s really a shame.

Thanks Eurosport and other channels, we do support our national products but when it cames to media we still behind a lot nations !!!

Anyway Dima Dima Al Maghreb.

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8:20 pm    February 18, 2004
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Did you guys check out the new FIFA world ranking for this month?
- Morocco was 38th with 614 points, ends up 33rd with 644 points = + 30 points.
Ok, wait up the surprise is coming.
- nigiria was 35th with 623 points , becomes 21st with 672 points = +50 points .
- tunisia : 31st with 646 = + 66 points .
It doesn't make sense to me . the CAN winner get 66 points. Ok, no problem here, the issue is the 2nd wich Morocco gets 30 points and nigiria the 3RD gets 50 god damn points, for what ?
the FIFA should pull her head out her butt and start adding up things wright.
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8:15 pm    February 18, 2004
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K?bi Kuhn (s?lectionneur de l'?quipe de Suisse): "Je ne peux pas me satisafire de cette d?faite. Nous avons manqu? d'engagement, m?me si je savais que nous n'?tions pas pr?ts physiquement. Les Marocains ont pr?sent? une belle ?quipe, ? la fois technique et rapide. Nous avons commis trop d'erreurs pour pouvoir la contrer."

St?phane Chapuisat (attaquant de l'?quipe de Suisse): "Nous avons ?t? surpris. La s?lection marocaine ?tait plus forte par rapport ? ce que nous attendions. Je ne souhaite pas faire de commentaire au sujet de notre prestation."

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6:46 pm    February 18, 2004
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all the moroccan players were from the local league. they were some of the elite national players.and they showed pretty good qualities of play. good job.
did u guys know that Zairi and santos play for the same team sochaux ?
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4:03 pm    February 18, 2004
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did the suiss team show up with all its good players? does that mean that even our last-minute-put-together team is pretty good?

lata

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1:24 pm    February 18, 2004
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2-1 pour le Maroc fin du match...
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12:01 pm    February 18, 2004
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C'est parti, et ? Rabat, avec un m?lange de joueurs de GNF1 contre la Suisse, qui n'est pas tr?s heureuse de joueur contre l'?quipe B, aurait pr?f?r? le RAJA....

38eme min tjr 0-0
The game is Live on http://www.sportmaroc.com

By the Way our Olympic team lost to suitzerland`s Team a month ago3-2 in Qatar, and our olympic Team then won the rest of their Games to be sacred Champions...

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1:17 am    February 18, 2004
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just a little information, it's the olympic switzerland team who'll play against the olympic moroccan team and not the first team
and i agree about playing against a club team, they didn't spend money to play with a club!!!!
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12:48 am    February 18, 2004
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salam,

I\'ve tried this site but he does\'nt do it???

beslemma, Kawtar

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10:19 pm    February 17, 2004
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ligne manquante au message precedant:

Ce qu' a dit ce boukerch de la CMF a al3alam arriadi:
" ...nous nous sommes pas contre les entraineurs etrangers..."

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10:15 pm    February 17, 2004
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Les suisses devraient etre degouter, je les comprends. Je suis d'accord avec Nmirid, il parait qu'il y a des gens incompetants dans notre CMF. Dernierement, il y avait un d'entre eu (un certain boukerch), invite dans al3lam riadi, qui, quand tout le monde montre sa joie d'avoir un staff purement marocain, ne trouve rien a dire que ceci : >, je ne sais pas c'est qui le "nous", mais personnellement, je suis a 100% contre. Est ce que quelqu'un pourait nous dire la composition de la direction de la Confederation Marocain de Foot ? se sont les choses auxquelles on s'interesse le moins et se sont les choses qui influence le plus notre football. Je ne les connais pas, mais je pari que personne d'entre eu n'est en relation avec le sports/foot !?
Si, tel est le cas, un nettoyage de haut niveau s'avere necessaire pour aller tres loin, les postes devraient etre donner a ceux qui les merites ....
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8:34 pm    February 17, 2004
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Nmirid I absolutely agree with you!! You raised pertinent good points..
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6:48 pm    February 17, 2004
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whoever is in charge of setting up games for the National Team should be fired....how can u schedule a friendly game 3 days after la coupe d'afrique !?!?!?!?!? oh yeah I got it...they didn't think this team could reach the final LOOOOOOOOL their plan was that Morocco will be out from the first round...and that would give them 3 weeks to play the friendly game against switzerland......we need some good clean up fel jami3a dyal lfoot.
second stupid thing is that how can u ask a country like Swizterland who is preparing for the Euro 2004 competition to play against Raja or widad or ti7ad lekhmisat...what an insult !!!! either u bring us the whole team that was in Tunisia or appologize for your stupid mistake and cancel the game.
I don't know about you guys but I would Loooove to see our first national team ( chamakh, naybet, hadji, safri, et le reste de l'equipe) play against a good European team such as swisra.....if we beat them it will make us look very good and it will add up to our great success in CAN 2004.
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4:51 pm    February 17, 2004
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i heard on midi 1 that the game is gonne be played tomorrow but the moroccan team is consisted on some international players and the rest are from different moroccan teams. just put aboucharwane infront and we are good to go:)
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4:08 pm    February 17, 2004

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I read an article today that said finally Morocco and Swiss agreed to play, but none of the international-based players will play. Swiss didn't want to play against a club so Raja won't play. Article is actually here
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2:40 pm    February 17, 2004
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Yo, Switerland had cancelled the game against Morocco's national team due to the abscence of most of our important players, they want to play a solid team since they're preparing for Euro2004, instead they will play against Raja of Casablanca. Check out this link for further information:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/3496833.stm
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1:48 pm    February 17, 2004
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Tunisians disrespected National Anthems, played them low and at one point played the wrong one.
Read this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/fbl_afr2004_tun

Guys, we lost a battle and not the war.
We have a great team that have so many years in front it.

Dima Dima Maghribia

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9:54 am    February 17, 2004
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yes it's confirmed:
La Suisse, qui pr?pare l'Euro-2004 (12 juin-4 juillet au Portugal) devait rencontrer le Maroc, finaliste de la Coupe d'Afrique des nations 2004, mais le match a ?t? annul? en raison de "l'indisponibilit?" des principaux joueurs marocains, a pr?cis? la F?d?ration.
"Des joueurs ont ?t? lib?r?s pour se reposer alors qu'une quinzaine d'autres, qui ?voluent en Europe, ont tous regagn? leurs clubs respectifs", a-t-elle ajout?.


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9:27 am    February 17, 2004
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intially the lions were suppose to play la suisse are they still playing? i heard that RCA are gonna play them???
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9:19 am    February 17, 2004
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I was talking to that other guy... not you sorry for the confusion. Pour ce qui est des commentaires sur un pays maghrebin gagnant la coupe il faut le voir de le context des rivalites regionales nord - sud i.e. pays du Maghreb / Afrique sub Saharienne et en particulier la rivalite FOOTBALISTIQUE historique entre le Maroc, l'Algerie, L'Egypte vs. le Nigeria, Le Cameroun et plus recent le Senegal...
Il faut se rappeler aussi que le Mali est un pays Musulman a 90%, le Senegal a 93%, le Nigeria a 50%, meme le Cameroun a 20% de le population...
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8:21 am    February 17, 2004
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hi adnan
about your link of the lion web site, i'm sorry to tell you that the web site is sucks (don't get me wrong) because everything is crowded,and the one who created it is a color lover.there are som many color there, the background is too dark whcih affect the site,and finally, there are so many thing moving whcich diistract the user.
sorry again and don't get me wrong .i Love the national team and i hope the best wiches for them
bye
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7:59 am    February 17, 2004
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Check this link out: http://www.asharqalawsat.com/default.asp?issue=9212&page=sport&article=218214&state=true
Please see what "Mr. Tunisian" D.Santos stated on this interview after getting the cup!! He said literrally that he has chosen to play for Tunisia because he would never get a chance to play with the brasilian national soccer team, therefore he would not hesitate to play for a country where his son was born....but his loyalty did not go further to include confronting his national brasilian team in WC...he said It would be very difficult for him to play against his national brasilian team...in that case he would seek an arrangement with coach to call off...
This is for our Tunisian guy who was talking about: Ne pas vendre la peau de l'ours avant de le chasser!!! GOT it... GET it... GOOD!!!
A little addendum- note for Adnane regarding #156 & 157 who said he did not like some comments: I have to mention somth. i bet u you know the saying that goes: "Ana wa akhi ala ibni aammi ---wana wa ibni aammi al gharib"...
This is Football buddy, we are not talking politics or Kawmiya laarabia..and islamic....and all that stuff but we prefer a "maghrebin" country rather than an african coz i bet u if it was an inter-continental cup betw. Africa and Europe and Egypt or S.Africa in the finals against any uropean country we could have cheered for one of our african countries same can be applied about local teams...So don't butter it up.....and make it look implicitly unfair or maybe racist...This is.just football!!! (You sound even happy that Zairi is weld eddawar) and there's nothing wrong about that..
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3:40 am    February 17, 2004
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sur le site http://www.massawi.com vous pouvez laisser des messages a notre star Marouane Chamakh, il vous repondera des son retour en France.
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7:46 pm    February 16, 2004

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So Morocco is playing Switzerland Wednesday 18 Feb, right? is it gonna be in Morocco? I think they'll let the others play, les remplacants :)
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7:34 pm    February 16, 2004

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Check out this cool site of Mountakhab, with squad and individual shots of the players in the profiles section. IT'S GOOD TO BE ZMAGRI !! lol yet MOROCCAN!
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7:13 pm    February 16, 2004
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to Adil from Boston: By any chance, were u talking about/to me in your last reply when u said ( assi tounssi) or I just misunderstood.....bc I am "ssi meghribi" from Rabat and go back to my reply # 155 and other replies to find out.

If u were talking to/about someone else accept my appology and never mind.

peace out

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6:45 pm    February 16, 2004
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ca y est pensons maintenant aux eliminatoirs du mondial 2006 et les prochains rencontres.ok?
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5:15 pm    February 16, 2004
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Assi TOUNSSI:
Oubviously you haven't watched the games and you don't know what you are talking about! I wasn't going to bash your victory in the spirit of Maghrebin brotherhood but now you leave me no choice:
1. Felicitations au Bresil (The best 2 players on the field Clayton & Santos and that's IT)
2. Which Douar is Francileudo Dos Santos from????
3. look at the stats: Best defence of the tournament. (ALL 4 goals were the results of mistakes but not construction from the other team since they were able to break that for their opponents by double teaming and pushing high in the middle.)
4. Best Offence of the CAN 2004 no doubt just look at the way these goals were scored, for the most part at least 3/4 players scored, Moroccan scorers in the top 4 categories of scorers, against the grain of the game, diversity of goals, couters, shots, headers, fliks etc
5. Dima, Dima Maghrib and you can't contest that the true Brazilians of Africa - not counting naturalized Tunisians... ;) - are, have and will always be "les LIONS de l'Atlas". sorry!
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2:47 pm    February 16, 2004
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Adnan, what they mean when they say ( hamdoulilah) the cup went to an Arab Muslim country, is that despite all....we - arabs- managed to finish and stop the Cameroun/ ghana/ nigeria/south africa's domniation over this competition. remember that we share a lot of things with our nighbors ( language, religion, culture, customs, etc) and our Islam taught us to wish for your brother what you wish for yourself. Don't forget that Tunisians and Algerians cheered for our national team as if it was their own team.....they waved their flags and gave us a big support against Nigeria. S africa, benin and mali. Morocco played most its games ( excpet against Algeria & Tunisia) as if they were playing in casa or rabat.
It's like if Raja play against widad on an African final competition...some of us will cheer for WAC, some will cheer for RCA but we will all be happy for the winner bc the cup will be Moroccan anyway...the same thing but the picture here is a bit bigger where both teams are Arab/ muslim and we both showed the world we can play some world class soccer.
if u look at it from al 9awmiya al 3arabiya wa al wa7da diniya...u will find it easy to congratulate Tunisia for winnig the cup.
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1:51 pm    February 16, 2004

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I've heard comments before cheering that the winner of the cup ended up being a North African or Muslim country. Honestly I didn't like these comments, I still don't get what are they trying to insinuate. What's wrong with a central african or south african country winning the CAN? Well as long as they don't nationalize Brazilians to play with them.. My point is, aren't those comments a little off? think about it..
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1:12 pm    February 16, 2004
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I like to add something to this discussion (Morocco - tunisia)
while watching the game on ART i switched to TV5 when i heared that : la finale d\'aujourd\'hui nous montrera la meilleur ecole de foot des deux (la francaise et la Marocaine), but right at that moment i was pissed, are we playing against france or Tunisia , anyhow Morocco lost to a Multiculturel TEAM, it\'s all Good ....
from the Bottom of my heart i congratulate the Tunisien People and thank them for their support to our Lions during this cherishfull event , Alhamdoulilah , the cup stayed in Maghreb and most of all a Muslim brother country!(?)

Peace

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12:42 pm    February 16, 2004
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CAF chose the best 11 players in the tournament from all teams...and guess which team had most players in the "African Dream Team"?????
it was our beloved Moroccoooooooooooo with 6 players overall ( 3 in the first 11 and 3 in the bunch).....Tunisia who "won" the cup only had 3 ( 2 in the first 11 and 1 in the bunch)..
the 3 Moroccan players who were chosen in the first team are:
1- waleed Regragui
2- abed salam wado
3- youssef Hadji
the other 3 players in the bunch are:
4- khaled fouhami ( best keeper with only 4 goals scored on him)
5- nouredine nayebt ( leading the best defense of the competition)
6- Jawad zayeri ( one of the best strikers in Tunisia 2004)
As I said Tunisia had 3 players ( khaled badra & lbou3zizi - khadija- in the first 11) and slim ben3ashour in the reserved team. Algeria had only one player in the first 11 ( 7ousin 3eyouchi).
Another statistic that shows Morocco was the best team in CAN 2004>>>according to all media representants from all countries.

ps: yesterday, myself, Rajawi and bunch of Moroccans played in USF ( university of south florida) against a Tunisian team ( 11 vs 11)...final score Morocco 7 tunisia 4

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11:39 am    February 16, 2004
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He sure is PHENOMENAL.

I\'m not sure it\'s true, but I just read that his father died.
I sooo hope it ain\'t true.

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11:16 am    February 16, 2004
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Here are information about the phenomenom CHAMACK (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/FootballFicheJoueur18583.html)
My cousin played with him before he signed with Bordeaux and I met him ..... He is very shy and quiet but he is so talentuous.....He is the future !!!!
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9:55 am    February 16, 2004
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Qatar fi khatar, they are trying to do the same as tunisia. look at the following article, it confirms how tunisia got the cup :-)

http://www.aljazeera.net/sports/2004/2/2-16-13.htm

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9:27 am    February 16, 2004

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8:58 am    February 16, 2004
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We are not gonna turn this forum into a fight of "Ghassalat dial Hammam"...but i have to share the same view with "Moroccan_100PC"....Wanna tell this guy who is talking about Radi Jaidi and Trabelsi...what about the other two braz-tunisian guys!!! do they speak Barsha Barsha??? Next time buddy hire more brazilians to get another cup..
You should be ashamed of yourself talking like that. I have to be honest and admit that moroccans played well during the whole tournament...you got the match to the final thru penalties..big deal!!! Because of "Rooh Riyadia" all moroccans were fine sinceTunisians got it and not an african country because we were not cynical and we prefer that the cup goes to a "maghrebin" country...but you all Algerians (hooligans), Egyptians (Mehsadin) and you are added to the list twansa (brazilian) are all peas in a pod (all the same when it comes to football) you always resort to distructive ways whether by vandalizing, ruining a game or media Blablabla...and u speak alots out of your a$$es...Don't flatter yourself too much...Just wait and see...we a haveenough time..
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8:43 am    February 16, 2004

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Ok, vous avez gagne la coupe d'afrique 2004, mais vous n'avez pas gagne l'admiration du monde. Je vous laisse deviner qui a gagne celle la.. C'est vrai que nous les marocains sont en train de fanfaronner le sang marocain pur et jeune de l'equipe, l'entraineur inclu, une homogenite culturelle qui nouri les spectateurs et represente le Maroc tel qu'il est: du telent local et zmagri mixte. Ca a un poids emotionel enorme en comparaison a la diversite sanguine :) des aigles de cartage. Une heterogenite qui met le talent football Tunisien en question :)

On vous verra bientot dans les match qualificatifs en septembre.. l'Allemagne appelle a la coupe du Monde 2006.

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7:14 am    February 16, 2004
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aaaaaa siii tounsi, vous ne meritez absolument pas la coupe, il faudrai juste voir votre parcourt, un premier tour contre des equipes relativement faibles, un match merdique contre le senegal et un tire de penalite imaginaire contre le nigeria merci Mr l'arbitre. vous ne meritez meme pas etre en finale et votre jeu enerve tout le monde(demande a Hadji Diouf). desole, il n'y avait aucun spectacle et il n'y avait que la tricherie. Santos le tunisien, est un poisson bien peche lui :-). soit fier de celui la aussi sans oublier les autres, Clayton le tunisien et Lemerre. Il vous manque des hommes jusqu'a ce point ? vous aurriez du jouer en tenue Jaune ou Bleu :-)

certains de tes compatriotes ne sont pas fier, mais il y en a certain comme toi qui essaye de le cacher. La preuve, tu parles de jaziri et pas de Santos.

En ce qui concerne l'organisation de la coupe du monde 2010, il vous a fallu reussir celle de la CAN 2004. avec 193 spectateurs par match en moyenne, vous avez beaucoup de chance :-)

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4:12 am    February 16, 2004
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salut cousin c jaoued de france ca va jai vu ton site franchement il est bien bonne presentation
bref je suis d?gouter le maroc a perdu la honte contre la tunisie.
j\'ai lu ce que ?crive les gens pour le match ils disent n\'importe quoi le maroc a domin? et les tunisiens c\'est des gros simulateur mais ca fais rien on a perdu a cause d\'une ereur du golle ca sera pour la prochaine fois.
il verons pour le tour qualificatif pour la coupe du monde ce qu\'on va le mettre bref je te di a la prochaine et essaye de me repondre cet fois tu connais mon email alors a bientot.
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1:47 am    February 16, 2004
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we are the champions we are so happy to see our team win the game this was a terrific victory we got it at the end alhamdouallah if u work hard u ll get it at the end that s what happened players the tunisian tornado was fatal it did not show any mercy to any country only destruction two touch downs by aljazeri and dos sontos were fatal so tough to digest to some take it or leave it we are the champions we are the best from the goal of TAREK DIAB against ZAKI IN 1987 TO the goal of aljazeri in 2004 ZAKI was crying the past is still haunting him from the same city TUNIS he cried as a player and as a coach too bad man u should see the MOROCCANS in ottawa they were so mad lol that was so funny il ne faut jamais vendre la peau de l ours avant de l avoir tue et il ne faut jamais vendre le poisson avant de l avoir peche WE ARE THE BEST TUNISIA 2010 WE WILL GET IT
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1:24 am    February 16, 2004
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the world cup
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1:22 am    February 16, 2004
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la tunisie merite amplement sa victoire ils ont mieux joue que les marocains ils ont completement domine cette finale et il merite leur victoire l arbitre les a meme prive de deux buts indiscutables hors jeux imaginaireS monsieur adnane les deux africains qui jouent pour la Tunisie ont pour nom RADI JAIDI et SAMI TRABELSI ils sont des tunisiens et meme de naissance et ils parlent l arabe et des musulmans pratiquant monsieur le raciste et que vive le football maghrebin ,so sir adnane i hope the next time u will know how to talk about people and i will repeat this thing again the tunisians deserve to win the game they were the best on the field and i guess they really deserve to organize to word cup 2010 that was a really success good job so who are the lions of africa who are the kings of africa who are the tigers of africa of course TUNISIA THE EAGLES OF CARTHAGE WE ARE SO PROUD VIVE LA TUNISIE MABROUK YA OULAD
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8:50 pm    February 15, 2004
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NB: Message ? nos Freres Tunisiens : la supr?matie de l'equipe marocaine est indiscutable ( ? voir toutes les statistiques) et pour les battre ? l'avenir il faudrait embaucher aim? jacquet et naturaliser Ronaldo,
ref:maroc info.net
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11:58 am    February 15, 2004

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Mabrok maroc & tunis, mabrok atlas lions 4 making it this far and playing greatttt games all threw this season, wa inchalllllla when its held in maroc WE WILL GET THE CUP! its the beginin of the road we just need 2continue and well get the cup, zaki thx 4 formin a great team they did play there best this season wa inchallla well contnuie with more wins.

i was reading someones responce and i was curiors about someone said that some arab teams bring froengn player and give them aljanseya 2play 4them, isnt that the same thing that arbas do when they go 2 a foriegn country and get the jenseaya? im NOT ASKING AS A FAN 4 ANY TEAM but just out of curiousity, but honestlyyyyy i luved the marocan team pure morcans and if we stick 2gethet and play as a team like we did this season wining is a step away.

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10:57 am    February 15, 2004
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3 Moroccans are nominated some of the best players in CAN 2004. il sagit de Walid Regragi, ouadou et hadji.
tbarkella
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5:47 am    February 15, 2004
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salam

does anyone know about any website for Marouan Chamakh fans??

thanks


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7:00 pm    February 14, 2004

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Extract from Team spirit won final, says Tunisia keeper
February 14, 2004, 10:18 PM:

[..] Walid Regragui, a Morocco defender, summed up the frustration of his team mates, whose slick football during the event deserted them in a nervy start to both halves. "We didn't feel they were superior to us," Regragui told reporters. "They didn't give anything away and played to their strengths. Good for them.

"But it's a big disappointment for us, because in footballing terms, it's not as if we learned anything today."

As for the turning point, Jaziri's 52nd-minute winner, Regragui said: "It gave them incredible energy.

"They threw themselves after every ball and after that they used their experience - staying on the ground after a foul to waste a bit of time and to break up the rhythm of the game.

"But the beauty of this sport is that everyone gets their chance - and Tunisia took theirs today."

Looking ahead, Regragui already felt a need for revenge building towards the African zone World Cup qualifying - in which Tunisia and Morocco have been drawn in the same group. "We're very, very, very disappointed...and I can't wait to meet them in the World Cup qualifiers," he said. - Reuters

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6:18 pm    February 14, 2004

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6:04 pm    February 14, 2004

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Wa tbarkallllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah 3lihoum! maaaaan whenever I think how young these guys are I get more and more impressed. Plus, a lot of them are wled douwar who lived most of their lives in europe, which emphasizes that everyone if given the opportunity can do wonders, wether you're oujdi, casawi, tanjawi, fassi, marrakshi, gnawi, weld douwar, weld zanqa

Jaouad zairi le jeune champion weld douar --> http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/football/profiles/5000000000000000000010661.html

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5:08 pm    February 14, 2004
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les choses serieuses commencent maintenant, les qualifications au mondial 2006, alors c est la victoire qu on veut pour les lions d atlas inchallah, on a envie de voir un deuxieme exemplaire de l equipe 86 qui representra le maroc en germany 2006.

allez les lions c est le travail qui vous attend et nous aussi bien sur.

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4:56 pm    February 14, 2004
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Salam alikum Brothers
First of all congratulation to the team of Tunisia anyway the championnat is Arab and also congratulation to our team Morocco they played a good game they gave the best than we waited from them congratulation to si Badou Zaki and congratulation to all moroccans.today we can say we have a good team the moroccan should welcome them hotly we have to support them to give more and more i think we have to give more chance to moroccan coachs

MABROUK TO ALL MOROCCANS
SALAM ALIKUM

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4:13 pm    February 14, 2004
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This team is wonderdul, they gave us so many beautiful moments! They deserve a great welcome back home
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4:06 pm    February 14, 2004

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Moroccans in Casablanca!!!! PLEASE give our young team a sizzling hot WELCOME they will never FORGET!
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2:08 pm    February 14, 2004
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Ces dernieres annees, tous les marocains ont perdu gout a voir et a suivre le foot et surtout nos equipes nationales. C etait une periode creuse, en tout cas pour moi et mes proches, et je suis sure que c etait le cas pour vous aussi. Ceci a change depuis que Mr Zaki a pris les choses en main, il nous a fourni une jeune et tres grande equipe. je ne connaissais que le grand N. Neybet et aucun autre. Cette jeune equipe dont la moyenne d age est de 23 ans, nous a redonne gout au foot, elle nous a offert joie apres joie durant tout son parcourt en cette CAN 2004. Et qui de nous, ne connais pas maintenant, Hadji Junior, Zairi, Regragui, Moha, Chammack, Safri, Kissi, et les autres.

Malgre le resultat d aujourd hui, notre equipe reste la meilleure equipe de cette CAN 2004. Felicitations a notre equipe nationale 100% marocaine. Et bonne continuation.

Felicitations a ceux qui ont gagne cette CAN 2004 (R. Lemerde, les 9/11=81.81% de tunisiens et les 2/11=18.18% de bresiliens). RV au eliminatoires de coupe du monde 2006.

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1:29 pm    February 14, 2004
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CAN Egypt 2006 >Adnane

http://www.coupedafrique.com/can2006/

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1:17 pm    February 14, 2004
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nabilino, they said they will play I think at the end of the month again switzerland. I also heard they will play I think in april ( maybe another month, not so sure) against Brazil, the champs of the world... that\'s what the commentators dyal TV5 said ce matin durant le match.
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12:39 pm    February 14, 2004
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Overall our team is stronger and in terms of talent and tactics they did great. We know that every heart-broken moroccan will express anger and this and that but bottom line we have a great team, they offered an excellent performance and they are young and novice to this kind of championships and we have to accept that.
Let's cut them some slack and avoid whining about the match. Congratulation to Tunisians although they seemed to have a lot of assets: the cup is in Tunisia, they have 50k supporters and Benali was there (Big Brother Watching U)...but also a liability: they offered citizenship to some guys they looked odd to their team (isn't that weird ...have we ever hired outsiders to backup our defense lines?That doesn't exist in our football culture ....it's just not ...acceptable!!!)....Anway, we say " Que le meilleur gagne!" Tunisians to be honest played well and managed to benefit from some bobo's we made!!! On the other hand, we are the winners too--- all expressed that in this discussion---We gained trust again from public, we gained a solid experience for this young team and we gained a wonderful team for prospective champs. and also a pro. mastermind (Zaki)...all hands on deck they will do somth. much better in the future.. I wish them all the best and good luck in the next champs...No worries from now onward...You did great Atlas Lions...."Tbarkellah aalikom"
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12:38 pm    February 14, 2004
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SIMPLE MOROCCAN CITIZEN WROTE: Tunisia, we are very happy for your win
Speak for yourself please, because im not happy for their win.

ADNAN, Yes it is true 2006 is in EGYPT and that's where we are going to pull it. PEACE OUT RAJAWI

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11:56 am    February 14, 2004
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What a goal, what a play, what a country of supporters and Foot-ball lovers...

the list can go on and on, I beleive Moroccans proved that they can realize world class acheivements based only on their own human capacities. You should see the people in Morocco celebrating the final game despite the result. I beleive this proves what heart the people have here. I love this place. I think we have great prospects with this team and I beleive they will show us more.

Tunisia, we are very happy for your win. I beleive it is a great win, since it's a Maghreb win.

I can't waint for the WC2006 qualifiers! Best of Luck to all the LIONS.

MC-S
Live Fair, Respect Life!

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10:54 am    February 14, 2004

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Anyone has info about qualfications for World Cup 2006 ? schedule etc. I heard that for World Cup 2010, the CAN will also act as the qualifications for teams who would play in WC 2010, the first 5 teams that make it in CAN 2010 will go to WC 2010, is that true ? is it also true that CAN 2006 will be in Egypt?
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10:44 am    February 14, 2004
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we will bounce back from this not deserved defeat very fast and soon Morocco and the Atlas lions will be the best Arabic and African soccer team again. morocco is playing a friendly match i think this month but i\'m not sure against who? can anyone confirm this information?
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10:30 am    February 14, 2004
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to Hanada:
u suck big time....I can see why u didn\'t watch soccer for the last 18 years...bc U underatsnd nothing about it...and u wil never do so. How can u talk like that about bunch of young kids who despite being born outside of Morocco, has more heart and love for Morocco than u do. we are talking about a group of young very talented players who enetered the African cup for the first time in their lives with no international experience or whatesoever....and yet they reached the final...something we couldn\'t do for 28 years...even when had zaki & Dolmi & Timoumi & Bassir & grand Hadji....we never made it to the final game. we lost the cup but we won a strong young team and an exellent coach...all we need is to get rid of ignorant fans like yourself.....The tunisian team wouldn\'t stand a chance if the game wasn\'t in his stadium front of 60 thousand of his fans...imagine we played in Morocco or in a nuteral field...we would have crushed them...and yes we will play them again in the 2006 world cup qualifications and rira bien qui rira le dernier.....
Mjinina: hanada didn\'t not and will not go back home bc they kicked his sorry a$$ from there a long time ago.
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10:27 am    February 14, 2004
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HANADA i honestly think you should take your sorry ass back to morocco to hopefully learn something about soccer, obviously you are ignorent in that departement, we didnt win the tournament but we definetly won a team for the next 6 years which will include a couple more world cups and few more CAF, what made you think that wydad or raja would do any better than the national team ??? i guess we should\\\'ve had you playing today. PEACE OUT RAJAWI
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10:13 am    February 14, 2004

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From BBC Sport Football
Zaki praises his young side


Morocco coach Badou Zaki was full of praise for his young side following their 2-1 defeat to Tunisia in the African Cup of Nations final.


Tunisia took the lead early in the match through Francileudo Dos Santos but the youthful Moroccan attack battled back to level matters before the break, thanks to Youssef Mokhtari.

However, shortly after the break Tunisia's Ziad Jaziri scored - a goal that proved enough for victory.

Coach Zaki, a former international goalkeeper for Morocco, said his side had played well.

"I want to say well done to my players, they have done well throughout this tournament," he said.

But Zaki admitted his side were the authors of their own downfall.

"We committed too many errors and Tunisia exploited them to score two goals," he added.

"There has to be a winner and a loser and today luck was not on our side.

"Despite that, I still congratulate the players for their efforts since our first qualfying match which was against Gabon up to today."

Zaki, whose team finished as top scorers in the tournament with 14 goals, predicted that they would bounce back from this defeat.

"We are proud to have finished second. We are a young side and need more time and encouragement to be able to do better than today," he added.

"I congratulate Tunisia. They put in a great effort but the real winner today is Arab football."

Morocco's assistant coach Abdulghani Naderi also blamed errors for the side's defeat.

"We are a young team and we deserved to play in the final," he said.

"But we made some mistakes and we gifted the trophy to Tunisia."

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10:11 am    February 14, 2004
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I just want to let you know a si hanada you who obviously know nothing about sports, nor soccer and come here and pretend you know all. Today yes they didn't play good, me as a sportsman too, I lose so many times, and from my losses I try not to make the mistakes again, after all we learn from our mistakes.... The next time those young guys will play in front of a 50,000 crowd that's not on their side, they'll do much better... I'm glad they made it to the final and it's a very good experience for them.
So please instead of being rude to the players and us, don't forget please that more than half of that team are not even moroccans, well their parents are, but they weren't born in morocco. They still love morocco and fought in the Can 2004, in our side we need to show them some respect and encourage them. Now you who said they need to take their sorry ass back home, I say you should take yours back home cuz I guess it's been 16 years you haven't been there??? is that right?
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10:06 am    February 14, 2004

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Which Moroccan player was your favorite throughout CAN 2004?
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9:51 am    February 14, 2004
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i have not watch the soccer games since 1986 then i moved to the US and finally i decided to watch soccer again i tell you what we suck so bad that even tunisia kicked our ass i think if we just let one of the national teams play like WAC or RAJA we could have won so take your sorry ass home and practice for the next 2 years i am extremely disappointed!
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9:37 am    February 14, 2004
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Hmarou loujah. Merci a l'entraineur el aadim EZAKI (quel intelligence, tactique!), MERCI NAYBET, FOUHAMI, KARKOURI, OUADOU, KISSI, REGRAGUI, ROUMANI d'avoir fait de cet equipe l'une des meilleurs sinon la meilleur defense du tournoi. MERCI a MOKHTARI, MOHA, HAJJI, ZAIRI, CHAMAKH pour le plaisir qu'ils nous ont donne, j'en ai des larmes aux yeux ca faisait longtemps qu'on avait pas vu une tel qualite!. TBARK Allah aalikoum!
dommage pour la final malheuresement la pression sur l'equipe etait clair des le depart et ca ne viens qu'avec l'experience de la competition et c'est pour cela que les equipes qui arrivent en final pour la premiere fois souvent perdent. Je regrette juste qu'il n'ait pas suivi les paroles de la chanson: "JOUEZ, JOUEZ les Marocains!" par ce que quand ils l'ont fait c'etait le PARADIS!!!!!!

felicitations aux freres Tunisiens pour leur premiere CAN ils ont bien gere leur tournoi et il faut accepter la sanction du jeu. On aurait prefere un peu plus de jeu mais c'est le foot...

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9:32 am    February 14, 2004

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Overall Tunisians had nice control on the ball, they had successful passes and maintained strong defense. Our champions made some great passes from time to time, beautiful stuff, but it boiled down to the rate at which they were losing the ball when they get it.. I love these young Moroccans anyways, For me they won the trust of Moroccans and they gave us great show and unforgettable GOALS. At least they scored a wonderfull one today!

One more thing, somehow Tunisian team still doesn't impress me too much just because they have foreign sounding names in their team.. that team is not genuine North African like our team, they've got brazilians and africans.. just for this fact, I feel proud of our PURE 100% Moroccan TEAM, when Moroccans do something they do it 100% Moroccan wella Blash!

In the cafe, as usuall you hear funny commentaire during the game :) most of them are illicit words, but one guy got so anoyed by the Tunisian captaoin Bouazzizi, and didn't stop calling him names like "7ouriya, Sa3ida,.." :) and you guessed why..

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9:16 am    February 14, 2004
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Je crois qu\'on ne meritait pas de perdre de la sorte. I think if they only played the same way they played against mali, and forget the fact they were playing in tunisia and all. They would have crushed them, cuz see after we scored 1-1 the tunisians were down and too bad it was at the end of the half otherwise we would have crushed them.
I think the Lions and Zaki should learn to not mind the pressure fact if they playing at the home team and all, it is hard to have 50,000 tunisians surrounding you, but this is where the professionalism at...
Anyway congratulations to the new young moroccan team, I know we\'ll go far cuz the first time they play and they make it to the final, they\'re full of energy, ambition, young, brave, courageous and with a moroccan spirit, thank you to all the players who did a good job representing us...
tantmenna ghir nass fel meghrib mayebdawech 3awtani b les critiques, o l coach 3iyan, le3aba zerguine et tout...
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9:15 am    February 14, 2004
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I want just to say B r a v o ......!!!!! to Mr Zaki and the team for their wonderful JOB, this was the best African Cup that Morocco had ever played ,They realy honor our Morocco .bghina la Coupe mais le football it's just a game there is only ONE winner.I want just to add something. Morocco was the BEST team in the Competition 100% wallah ila tbarkallah 3la al Mountakhab Almagribi.I'm proud of the Team.inchallah next time.
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8:54 am    February 14, 2004
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i cried after le sifflement de la fin de la partie but i thought to myself this is le foot we taste the victory and we taste the bitter of loss, after all we\'re all brothers. thanks to the ATLAS LIONS for more than 3 weeks of exitement they made me prouder to be moroccan and congratulations to our tunisian brothers CAN 2006 here we come once again and to all the African teams the Atlas lions will have more experience HUNTING prays this time.
see you in the next CAN
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8:32 am    February 14, 2004
youssef
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basters they won by luck we gave to them we will get them in world cup qualifications don\'t worry won\'t last will see ya in summer of 2005 qualification bitchss we wiil get them in preliminaries they can play for shittt we gave them the last goallll by mistake they didn\'t earn it it all good summer of 2005 wiill seee
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8:29 am    February 14, 2004
mariam
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welldone to all the palyers for the hard work and the effort they put in. even we didnt win we still have an excellent team thats can score many goals, i am proud of you all.

God Bless Morocco, love you so much

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8:27 am    February 14, 2004

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Khserna because of a stupid mistake. Zaki did a good work though. The Tunisians are not that good but it was their first cup. Mabrouk.
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8:11 am    February 14, 2004
zaki
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Thanks Zaki and all the players for your hard work during this championship. even if we lost the cup, but we are still winning cause we have a very young team and remember that this is the first championship for our new team. I love u all and pround to be moroccan....
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6:55 am    February 14, 2004
Ina
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Desole pour le link en Bas...
Vous pouvez suivre sur menara.ma
Maroc # Tunisie 1:1 dernier score.
Allez les Marocains^^
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2:49 am    February 14, 2004
Ina
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2M doesn't work and usually the sound and pic is not good.
If you cannot see on tv, online is possible:
This Tunisan online TV will diffuse it here http://www.tunisiatv.com/index1.html the quality of the song and pic are nice.
VIVA MOROCCO.
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1:04 am    February 14, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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I may not be able to update the game score on raioo, I'll be away from my PC with hailala of the game in the cafe. Please forgive if the score shows 0 - 0 for a while... We know the score will be HEAVY on the Moroccan SIDE! I stick with 3 - 1

Tunisia has a very good pair of attackers and they might get through Naybet.. but one goal, and that's that.

Alle Shaj3ou m3ana oussoud l'atlas, wled leblad ! tbarkallah 3la abtal dyelna!

Lay3awenhom ouyanssarhom, ET QUE LE MEILLEUR GAGNE!

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6:55 pm    February 13, 2004
Reda
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Hello everyone,

These are some of the best photos put together of our beloved Soccer Team, which I came across on the net, thought to share them with you:

http://www.moroccousa.com/can2004/

This is a dream come thru, this makes me prouder more then ever before. I wish our beloved country nothing but success! we need this CUP so bad so I can show off to my boss & to my American friends

God help us tomorrow..

Reda
With Love!

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5:58 pm    February 13, 2004
alifdal
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all the luck for the morocan team .... its been a while we didnt achieve such thing the best of luck
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5:50 pm    February 13, 2004
Bouma9la
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inchallah le match se deroule dans une ambiance de fraternite
les 2 pays sont des freres.mais j espere inchallah yarab al 3alamin que le maroc organisera le mondial 2010 et qu il se qualifiera pour le mondial Germany 2006.

salam.

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4:57 pm    February 13, 2004
TIM
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i took special vacation from work to come to watch the final,i am very happy i wish all morocans in USA and CANADA are here i know that`s really hard but let me tell you something i prefere leave my job and not eat for weeks but watch the final wa rani farhann ,je suis dans un cyber je vous passe les salutations d'un mec tunisien qui est sure que le maroc va gagner.alors voila un exemple d'un brother qui l'a avoue.hamdoulah CAN2004 C'est M6 QUI L'AURA ENTRE SES MAINS le 14 fevrier ,WA AL MAGHRIB KAY YKHAL3 WA TOUNESS CHADHA LWJA3 heheheeh
viiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeee lllllllllllleeeeeeeee mmmmmmmmarrroooooooocccccccc
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4:28 pm    February 13, 2004
Baghi-Tiqar
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I was looking at the CAN2004 website forum and what struck me is this comment by "The rocking moroccan"--I have no word to utter better than this quotation ...he stated:
"This cup is going to Casablanca!!! Vive le Maroc!!!
We are the best arab and african nation in sports!!!!
In Tennis: Who gets to watch Youness El aynaoui in the quarter finals at the US Open!!!! and if he is not there Arazi takes the turn!!!
Who's the only arab country in the davis cup world group!!!
In Track & Field: Who is the best athlete in the world!!! The unbeaten Hicham El guerrouj!!!In marathon, who is the world record holder???
Who are the only two arab women to win a gold olympic medal!!!
Nawal and Nezha!!!
Soccer: Who is the first african and arab country to reach the second round of the world cup!! Morocco of course!!!and we will be the first to hold it in 2010 and the first to win it!!!
But for now, we would like to take home the african nation's cup from your home land to OURS! I guarantee you that you will looooooooose.
We are too strong for any arabs or africans out there!!!
Just admit it!!!
I like Algeria and Tunisia and we are brothers!!!
But Morocco is the BIG brother!!!
Best attack (13 goals), best defense (2 goals), best midfield....best goals!!! BEST TEAM.

WE DESERVE THE CUP AND WE WILL HAVE IT INCHA ALLAH!!!

WATCH OUT et hadi hia lbidaya seulement....On va encore eliminer la tunisie en qualification pour la coupe du monde......!!!!

VIVA MARRUECOS"

this is my final thought: "Jooj elziro inchallah"= 2:0..........

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1:40 pm    February 13, 2004
Nego
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Finale de la CAN 2004 en directe ? Montr?al

Ev?nement : Retransmission en direct du match Tunisie-Maroc comptant
pour la finale de la coupe d'Afrique des nations 2004.
Lieu: Coll?ge Maisonneuve
Adresse: 2700 Bourbonni?re (coin PIE IX et Sherbrooke). M?tro Pie IX
Quand : Samedi 14 f?vrier 2004 ? partir de 8h du matin.
Prix : 5$
Il y aura la pr?sence des m?dias canadiennes repr?sent?s par
Radio-Canada qui reprendra les images de l'?v?nement dans son bulletin
de 13h et aussi 2M Maroc qui reprendra des images durant la journ?e au
Maroc.

Tous les b?n?fices de cet ?v?nement seront vers?s ? M. Khalid Moujahid
qui est endeuill? par le d?c?s de sa femme Bouchra Farid que Dieu
l'entoure de sa saint mis?ricorde de suite d'une longue maladie et qui
laisse un orphelin de 14 mois.
Cette bonne action permettra ? M. Mouhajid de combler les frais reli?s
au rapatriement du corps et des fun?railles.

Pour de plus amples informations contactez M. Najahi au num?ro :
514-816-8714

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12:34 pm    February 13, 2004
Bahja
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Inna 7alfna alkassama an la nakhono rifakana fi tunis.
Chi3arouna howa al hadaf wa darbona howa al kital, sanantasser.

Boula boula boula, boula boula boula, boula 7amra. w jawa al 3assafir. Allah yarabbi allah yarabi allah yarabi allah, ayyih ayyih ayyih ayih ayih ayioh ayih.

don't cry for me tunisia.....
ytoub ytoub ytoub

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10:37 am    February 13, 2004
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yeah sounds great with some heavy metal music "karkabat dyal gnawa, tboula,albandeer ect... :))" hey and no more bad words sometimes he forgets himself...
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10:14 am    February 13, 2004
Ali Baba
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Hey Chaoumou, now you are talking! I like that idea! ;)
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9:32 am    February 13, 2004
solid_snake41
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Wa naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaari , la\\\'fouuuuuuuuu
lhamdoulah , je vais voir le match sur DirectTV demain,
walakine dudes, this cup is ours inchallah, this is history people, i ve been waiting for a momemt like this since i was born, and her it comes true,aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Walmagreb , Walmagreb, Walmagreb, Walmagreb
i am so excited fellas, yesterday i was wearing the
Morrocan jersy and screeming at my house, this too much happiness for my heart alone, i need to share that we ya guys.WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw
Wa naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaari, lah yarabi lah
dima dima.............

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8:54 am    February 13, 2004

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That will be nice especially from L3awd, a little change from drama
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8:41 am    February 13, 2004
chaoumou
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if we win,i want l3awd (or casa connect) to make a special song to the moroccan team.
what do you think?
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7:42 am    February 13, 2004
mjinina
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The Few , The Proud , The Mo3occans!
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7:21 am    February 13, 2004
cha9oor
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ana ya rabi kan bghi far9a 7amra o khadrawiya kat l3ab bi ti9niya
wa lmaghreb ztarata wa lmaghreb ztarata
samedi ghadine nzamto twanssa
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5:56 am    February 13, 2004
Rachid
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i have faith on our young players, they have what the other generations never had. ana i say they will win and they're going to play till the last min of the game. Zaki team will make february 14th unforgetable yaaaaaaaa baby :))
heeeeeee heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeee ho ho
heeeeeee heeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeee ho ho
maghreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb maghreeeeeeeeeeeeeeb
tunisiaaaaaaaaa semhou leeena ghadi nchawhoukoummmmmmmmmmmmm
peace and love
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5:49 am    February 13, 2004
Ahmed
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we are the Champion
we are the Champion
in chaa allah les marocains sont un ikhtira3 kwed mn lcomputer
bit hibou min (Zaki ) habibkoum min (zaki)
ara ber3 dima dima maroc vive le maroc
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5:10 am    February 13, 2004

abdelilah message
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lmatch dyal nhaar sabt ghadi ykoun s3eeb meziane gheer Allah yester w safi.ghadi tkoun le3sa meziane.
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4:36 pm    February 12, 2004
YBKA
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daaaaaaaaaamn we can woooop asses ,,,, remember the old days 1986 ,,,, zaki u the man ,,,,, we want that cheap ass ugly looking underestimating valuless cup ,,, its all about the moroccan school
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3:16 pm    February 12, 2004
sanita
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ila el maghrib arba7 zarda 3andi f dar nhar sabt ...
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3:11 pm    February 12, 2004

bou_rass message
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did u guys know that ZAIRI , our star got sick right after the game with algeria ...he did a big game and he was running every where ..and after the game he got a soar throat and a high fever ,the team doctor tried his best to prepare for yesterday\'s game but the pain was overwhelming...
hadi hiya ennefss that we r missing guys , they put all their energy in the game guys ..wellah had shi kay bekki
We really miss him in the attack, his position was empty and we just did counter attacks in which we succeeded ...
I hope he will be back healthy and with full energy for the final ...and god bless our Atlas lions....
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2:50 pm    February 12, 2004
RawDaw
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If Morocco wins, He gives you something you like (huh....)
If Tunisia wins, You give him something he likes...

Just be carfule for what you ask for! ;)

You two have some good fun,

Raw-Daw

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2:31 pm    February 12, 2004
marocaine
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mbrouk pour tous les marocains

PS. mon ami est tunisien !!! quoi faire

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1:52 pm    February 12, 2004
y_bouz
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dima maroc wela hez yedik lfou9.
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1:10 pm    February 12, 2004
Nego
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Eurosport kayne9lou les matchs, ART america tahia, TV5 tahia...
pay per view.....$25
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10:33 am    February 12, 2004
solid_snake41
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Walah yarabi lah, lah yarabi lah,

wa ana rani radi natssata a chabab, a jami ra kou nkit fi maroc bach nchouf la coupe, hna makayen ri l'audio grace a
www.dimadimaraja.com
walakine rah l'equipe chi haja, inchallah nadiw had lacoupe
waytoub ala Zaki, rah m'alam
Dima Dima

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10:20 am    February 12, 2004
Nego
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u said it in two years not one
so the Next one is in EGYPT 2006...
Nari lmessreyeen radi ynedmou lavh nedhmouha...
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9:38 am    February 12, 2004

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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Oops, I forgot that CAF takes place every 2 years.
Wich is even better...We deserve to keep the title for a couple of years . :)

Go Lions, Goo! GRROWWWAARRGG ...

(>:p

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9:28 am    February 12, 2004

Antr McShaddad (Yahia.L) message
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This is the type of national team Morocco has been waiting for since 1986 .
Now we finally have the chance to release our deamons. (>:/

Thank you Tunisia for arranging the African cup, so that we can win it on your soil... :)
Tomorrow night, inshallah, I shall be there hanging my small Moroccan flag in my hotel room .

Aaahh...It feels good to be Moroccan. :)


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8:13 am    February 12, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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8:05 am    February 12, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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oh ok, I thought it was Sunday for some odd reason..

So I say:

Morocco 3 - 1 Tunisia

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8:02 am    February 12, 2004
Nego
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The Final is on Saturday 9AM eastern Time.....
TV5 was broadcasting all the African Cup, that`s actually where the Moroccan TV`s got the Games from....
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7:50 am    February 12, 2004
Chez Adile
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Sorry adnane,
The final game is on Saturday, not on Sunday.
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6:49 am    February 12, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Also if you have DirectTV cable I think you can pay-per-view the final game on Sunday
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5:59 am    February 12, 2004
frikiss
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Mbrouk a tt les maroccains dans le monde .inchallah la coupe dialna dima dima el maghrib.wa zAki Agaltl?k mok a sir allah irdi 3lik....
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5:47 am    February 12, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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I think TV5 (USA) on cable will broadcast the Final game..
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4:27 am    February 12, 2004
salah
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si vous voulez voir tout les buts de la coupe
http://yallakora.com/african_nations_cup/viewAfricanGoals.aspx


hihou mabrouk aalina hadi el bidaya ou mazal mazal....

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3:56 am    February 12, 2004
LaLoUcH
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A tbarekellah 3likom...
Zaki o wlidato ta far9a ma ghalbato...
dima dima l9odam
i just wanna take this opportunity to congratulate all moroccans on this mesmerizing victory that is truly appreciated.
Thumbs up...GOOD LUCK ON THE FINAL :)
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3:25 am    February 12, 2004
shaima31
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Viveeeeeeeeee le Maroc 4-0 mebrouk 3lina w 3la jmi3 lemgharba inshaa alah nreb7o final match m3a tunisie...... Touuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus Pouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Marooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooc vie le marooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooc
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2:44 am    February 12, 2004
Baghi-Tiqar
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A Sidi Hammrolina Owjehna!!!! Allah Yaatihom Sahha!!!
Excellent team ...unmatchable skills compared to all other teams....these guys are really Pros. and deserve a lot of respect and attention. Our Zaki made the right pick and the right choice!!! I have to re-iterate again that our Federation of football should take into account all these perfect records and proficiency of performance....they have to leave Zaki alone --do his job---and promote him and take good care of him...Avoid all the suckers...sucking up to french coaches or whatever nationality they are....Keep it up "les Lions d'Atlas".. and I would say since our team experienced a lot of pressure during their match vs. "the Holigaans" ..it will be another experience against Tunisians in their home...Let's bring the Cup back home with a 2-0...WIN WIN.... Go for it.. we are all waiting for that glorious day !!!!!

P.S. I hope I was not offensive to our neighbors algerians and french...but I am sorry this is Football!!!

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1:26 am    February 12, 2004
chaoumou
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TBARKALLAH 3LIIHOM... RABI YE7DIHOM...

Franchement ils jouent comme des pros.
On dirait ettalian!!!!

si on a cette coupe on aura certainement l'organisation de la coupe de monde 2010.

Ellah m3ana!!!!!!!!!

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10:03 pm    February 11, 2004
rimy
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merci pour l'equipe nationale de la victoire qui ont fait contre mali.

et merci pour les victorieux joueurs .


ho yho yho yho zarariddddddddddddddd.

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6:14 pm    February 11, 2004
Bibicha
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Mashi 1-0
Mashi 2-0
Mashi 3-0

Wa Rah a 3ibad Allah 4 - 0
4 l zeroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

This was awesone. Thank you Zaki, Thank you Lions de l\'Atlase. Thank you for giving us victory, defeating Algeria 3-1, Defeating Mali 4-0 . Inchallah, you will defeat Tunisia and bring us the Africa World Cup.

You are the BESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Dima Dima Maghribia
Zidohom zidohom
4-0 baraka 3lihom
Dima Dima 7amra
Dima Dima Khdra
Dima DIma Maghrbia....
Dima Dima Ghalba
Al fir9a maghribia

Ya7fad al Kora Maghribiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dima Dima ghalba.


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5:01 pm    February 11, 2004

bou_rass message
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I really hope that this team will go forward to win the cup ..Iam soooooooooooooooooooo happy ....I hope al jami3a will leave zaki allooooooooooone...makhasna beshi chiba nessib ben selimane wella felane weld 3am felane ....these guys play for the country eventhough most opf them are not born in morocco but they carry the shirt that says " I LOVE MOROCCO" and they mean it ...ouaddou was crying at the end of the game ...the guys played really hard and they were like the engines .... I advise zaki to check the food served to the players ....,tewansa chaddahom el kharya looool
mebrooook 3elina ....mebroook 3ela kol meghribi 7or
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4:53 pm    February 11, 2004
Simple Moroccan Citizen
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This is the sweetest, it's 100% MOROCCAN! I love that and we are in a good shape. I never saw players as dynamic and reflective of the real Moroccan spirit, of course since 1986. This is a team of Al Magharba Lahrar. Kudos, to all!

Time has come! Huhhh, I'm wondering about what would it be in 2006!!!???

MC-S
Life Fair, Respect Life!

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4:40 pm    February 11, 2004
Chez Adile
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Check This Out
http://www.marocinfo.net/jump/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=354
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4:11 pm    February 11, 2004
cruello
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khalid fouhami/ heeeeeeeheheheee
nouradine naybet/ heeeeeeeheheheee
abdeslam ouaddou/ heeeeeeeheheheee
yoseef essafri/ heeeeeeeheheheee
abdelkrim kaissi/ heeeeeeeheheheee
Akram Romani / heeeeeeeheheheee
Youssef Mokhtari / heeeeeeeheheheee
Marouane Chamakh/ heeeeeeeheheheee
Youssouf Hadji / heeeeeeeheheheee
Mourad Hidoued/ heeeeeeeheheheee


heeeeeeeheheheee/ nari nari nari
hohohoooooooo hohohoooooooo
nari nari nari

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4:09 pm    February 11, 2004
chab_fchekel
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wa7ed salam 3alikom men bellaf attaleg wa elbared, bellad canada al9ab9obeyya toura7ibou bina
wa ra7nna nachtiine ouzwinine ou Tarik vous dit que rah fer7an outaysselm 3la lwalidda fe bni mellal ou ellikhwa oul ahbab, et vive les Sbou3a daywln
dima dima maroc
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1:39 pm    February 11, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Thanks RASTAS!
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1:31 pm    February 11, 2004

rabiek message
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Salam Guys,


Mabrouk 3lina L ghoulb Dima Dima Maroc. Khadra f 7aMra :)))

Pics + Video Maroc Mali ici http://www.marocinfo.net/jump/index.php

Peace Out

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1:12 pm    February 11, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Reaction I got in my email today from Bibicha:
________________________________
It is NOT 1-0
it is not 2-0
It is Not 3-0

Wa 3ibad Allah wa raha
4 to NOTHING

Do you hear meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
wa 4 - 0 a 3ibad Allah
________________________________
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12:37 pm    February 11, 2004
nisrine
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Vive le maroc et vive les lions de l'Atlas. Mebrouk 3likoum koulkoum. We are the best. We are gonna get that cup. We re gonna kick some asses in the final. Congratulations to you all !
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12:23 pm    February 11, 2004
YBKA
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THIS THEEEEEE BEST MOROCCAN TEAM EVER ,,, A WORLD CUP CHAMPION I BET ,,, ZAKI U DID IT AND ALL THE PLAYERS U GUYS ARE AWSOME TUNISIA JUST GAVE UP THAT CUP
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11:59 am    February 11, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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These guys are UNSTOPABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DREAM TEAM is BACK!
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11:53 am    February 11, 2004
tarik
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unbelivable..
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11:46 am    February 11, 2004
tarik
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nothing against tunisia..
we came very close to loosing against Algeria because of their crazy Fan support.. i m afraid that same presure will be even greater in their game against tunisia.. let's hope I m absolultly wrong!!!!
good luck to us
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11:43 am    February 11, 2004
tarik
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latest score
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11:23 am    February 11, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Tunisiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa HERE WE COOOOOOME!
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8:51 am    February 11, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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For those who can't watch thegame on TV, here are your options:

If you would like to listen to the game
http://www.rfi.fr/Fichiers/sports/can2004/index.asp

If you just want to follow the score during the game.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=138175&cc=5901

If you want to watch live try:
http://www.dimadimaraja.com/videos/videocan.asp

Or (courtesy of Stayka)
http://www.liacs.nl/~abdel/Games/riyadi.wmv

Or (courtesy of Ilias)
mms://218.97.224.196/fff/fff.asf

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7:13 am    February 11, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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I actually have no clue, good question!
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9:51 pm    February 10, 2004
abdul
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hello,
you spoke like a gentleman, it all boils down to the blood .
no body form out side can feel we feel about the blad.
And i would like to thank you for the sight you listed , i send it to all my friend that did not see the game ,
once again thank you my brother
abdelwahab sedki MAMARONECK NY
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7:45 pm    February 10, 2004
Rajawi
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Just wondering...if there is a good gathering place where it would be possible and fun to watch tomorrow's game? Last time I went to the place in Malden and it was nice but the TV was far away? any suggestions please.
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7:26 am    February 10, 2004
Nego
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I say
Morocco 2-1 Mali
Inshallah
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6:20 am    February 10, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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I bet the game tomorrow will end up like this:

Morocco 1 - 0 Mali

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4:51 am    February 10, 2004
Stayka
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Check out how people went crazy in casa and many other cities after the victory http://www.liacs.nl/~abdel/Games/riyadi.wmv
Zaki is doing a great a job.. moroccan blood that is jealous over the flag is always better than outsiders who doesnt get any high or dry for our country and suck a huge budget with no results.. way to go lions, next one is the cup insha2llah.
cheers
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2:03 pm    February 9, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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1:56 pm    February 9, 2004
Nego
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Timoumi owns a famous cafe in rabat, he was in teh stadium watching morocco algeria yesterday, 7adaoui comments on the games of our national team from time to time...Khayri is training i think l minime dial les FAR, Krimau comments with 2M merra merra...

Boudarbala the last time i heard of him he was getting his lisence to be a coach.....

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12:45 pm    February 9, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Does anyone know what happened to the Moroccan dream team of Mexico 86 ? Boudarbala, timoumi, 7addawi, krimou, khayri, dolmi,
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7:32 am    February 9, 2004
youssef
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alll the way babe hehehe i wear my moraccain jersey in my work gotta represent let the previews of world cup in 2006 inchallah
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5:28 am    February 9, 2004
Baghi-Tiqar
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What a wonderful team! I was shaking on "2eme mi-temps" but team-work and talent of our players was obvious.
3 to 1 was well deserved although our players could have gone too far to score 5 to 1......and they could!!!
The funny thing we were playing out of the country and with a minority of supporers against a whole 20k Hooligans sorry "algerians"----excuse my language!!!! and we made it...Does it tell u something? yeah...."les Lions d'Atlas" are great and strong!!! no room for mistake here...they can do it and they will!!!
Zaki did a great job...I believe our federation does not need to hire coaches from overseas coz we have skilled talented ones @ home!!!
Keep it dude...Zaki........Y're THE MAN!!!
CONGRATULATION TO ALL MOROCCANS!!!!!!!!!
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5:09 am    February 9, 2004
said
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mabrouk a3lina bi la victoire
koulchi min mousieur zaki
laisse le tranquille
said du holland
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12:31 pm    February 8, 2004
youssef
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mbrouk aalina la victoire devant les algeriens , la coupe est a nous inchallah.
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12:13 pm    February 8, 2004
hammer
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salam
thumbs up to the moroccan team .They won again 3 to 1
They played very good
keep doing the best work
salam bye.
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12:19 pm    February 6, 2004
Nego
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Yes they are... 1pm eastern Time...
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10:05 am    February 6, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Is Morocco playing Algeria this Sunday 2/8/2004 ? that will be one hell of a game!!!!!!!!!
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2:35 pm    February 1, 2004
hammer
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salam
who wants to see the moroccan goals he ca go to http://www.liacs.nl/~abdel/Games/marben.wmv
that\'s a link
be my guest
take care
bye
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12:34 pm    February 1, 2004

Adnane Ben. message
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Lmaghrib wella punishi douwal.. 7aggrou 3la Benin msssaken :) lol

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Reuters, By Brian Homewood

Sfax - Morocco took advantage of a comedy of errors by the Benin defence to beat the African Nations Cup debutants 4-0 on Saturday and maintain their perfect record in Group D.

Striker Marouane Chammakh was gifted the opener in the 17th minute after Benin goalkeeper Rachad Chitou completely missed a cross.

Benin then held out and produced some good attacks of their own until their defence fell apart late in the game allowing substitute Youssef Mokhtari and defenders Abdelsam Ouaddou and Talal El Karkouri to score in a seven-minute spell.

Morocco, who have yet to concede a goal, lead group D with six points and need to draw with South Africa to make sure of a quarter-final place. Benin have lost both their games.

"We had a lot of difficulties in the first half when we were up against a very solid team," said Morocco coach Badou Ezaki. "In the second half, we scored three quick goals and won the match."

El Karkouri and midfielder Houcine Kharja both went close for Morocco in the opening five minutes and it was no surprise when they went ahead.

Youssef Safri floated over a free kick, Chitou came out of his goal but missed the ball completely, with it landing at the feet of Girondins Bordeaux striker Chammakh, who slotted the ball into the empty net.

Morocco lost their momentum and Benin, whose players are based mainly with clubs in the lower divisions of European leagues, began to threaten a shock equaliser.

The first effort was a volley from Moussa Latoundji that forced a difficult save from Khalid Fouhami in the 37th minute.

Portuguese-based Fouhami also parried away a free kick by Oumar Tchomogo early in the second half and a header by Mouri Ogunbiyi but it all went wrong for Benin in the last 20 minutes.

Wacker Burhausen's Mokhtari added the second in the 73rd minute direct from a corner when Chitou parried the ball on to a defender's back and it rebounded into the net.

Two minutes later, the Benin defence was again caught in disarray and Ouaddou added a third into another empty goal.

El Karkouri then added the fourth with a quick free kick as Benin were trying to organise their wall and Chitou was out of position.

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7:31 am    February 1, 2004
youssef
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salut a tout les compatriotes marocains,
vous pouvez voire tous les buts du maroc en can 2004 en tunisie en allant sur le site suivant:
www.dimadimaraja.com et puis aller sur la rubrique videos et voire tous les but meme des autres equipes.
viel spass dabei ( bessaha ou raha).
youssef (aachen).
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11:49 am    January 31, 2004
Rabie
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Salam all,

Mabrouk 3la Maghreb 4-0 contre Benin, comme ca a beaucoup de chance de sauter au deuxieme tour.

bon drari a l occasion je voulais vous dire 3wacherkoum Moubarika inchalah ...

NB : plus d info sur La CAN2004, j ai mis une petite gallerie du match Maroc-Benin ... sur :

http://www.marocinfo.net/jump/index.php?lng=fr

y a aussi AUDIO / VIDEO Streaming des Matchs de la CAN2004 en Directe

et Bonne chance .

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11:23 am    January 31, 2004
Chez Adile
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hi hammer,
Sorry I mean the link sucks, not raja.
Aid moubarak said.
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11:18 am    January 31, 2004
younes
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Hi Guys,
I followed the match on Radio Tunis
here is the link
http://www.radiotunis.com/liveaudio.ram
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11:08 am    January 31, 2004
hammer
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he don't talk about the raja man
you the one who is ssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuk
get u a life
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11:04 am    January 31, 2004
hammer
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he what's up every body
They did it agin, and they bit the benin national team 4to 0
gongratulation to all of you and to all the moroccan wherever they are
aid moubarek you'all do not eat to much lamp leave so to us
bye and take care
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11:01 am    January 31, 2004
li liha liha
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hi guys , any one to up date me urgently on the results of the morocco - benin match plz plz plz , i really can't wait !!
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9:58 am    January 31, 2004
Chez Adile
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Dimadimaraja.com it's suuuuuuuk.
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9:53 am    January 31, 2004
Noure
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http://www.radiotunis.com/liveaudio.ram
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10:57 pm    January 30, 2004
tibya
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NOTA BENE:
http://sportsafrica.tv/media.asp

if u go to the address above u dont c the full morocco game but ONLY 5 or 6 minutes in the FIRST HALF.

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10:47 pm    January 30, 2004
krimo
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hi raiooster
here you can find game you miss
http://www.dimadimaraja.com/downloads/type.asp?iType=29

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8:08 am    January 30, 2004

BentDreyfa message
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Here is where you guys can watch the previous match of Morocco incase you haven't seen it:

http://sportsafrica.tv/media.asp


If it asks for log in and passowrd:

Log in name : Moroccan
Password: maroc1

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